push up competition

[sothex]

so i have had several pushup competitions with my english teacher and he creams me every time. I quit lifting just recently to do calisthenics and cardio, so i think this is a good time to train for a pushup competition. Before i could never do many because i was always doing very low reps with heavy weight.

right now i can probably do about 50 pushups in one set with difficulty. In about 8 weeks time i want to get it up to 200 in one set, otherwise i don't think i will be able to win. Does anyone have any advice on how i could get my pushups up in this short amount of time?

 

[djeclipse]

so i have had several pushup competitions with my english teacher and he creams me every time. I quit lifting just recently to do calisthenics and cardio, so i think this is a good time to train for a pushup competition. Before i could never do many because i was always doing very low reps with heavy weight.

right now i can probably do about 50 pushups in one set with difficulty. In about 8 weeks time i want to get it up to 200 in one set, otherwise i don't think i will be able to win. Does anyone have any advice on how i could get my pushups up in this short amount of time?

Back in the day I used to do push up's twice a day, once in the morning and once at night. Each time i would add one rep. I was up to 100 straight, no rest before I got bored.

 

[dabuffguy]

going from 50 to 200 pushups is extreme. I can do about 80 myself.

get on the bench press and lift heavy. It will make each push up easier if you are stronger.

 

[gjohnson5]

So a guy who benches the most weight has the most endurance in shoulder , tricep and chest muscles?

going from 50 to 200 pushups is extreme. I can do about 80 myself.

get on the bench press and lift heavy. It will make each push up easier if you are stronger.

 

[djeclipse]

So a guy who benches the most weight has the most endurance in shoulder , tricep and chest muscles?

Are you for real dude?

Why are you trying to start shit by trying to put words in dabuffguy's mouth.

You follow him around and post worthless garbage in every post are you gay for him or something?

Don't be such a tool.

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL!!!!!
I havin' fun at this


Seriously, prove that increasing weight on bench press will mean increase number of pushups. That's kinda like saying increasing squat means I should be able to run 1 mile farther at my current pace

 

[ScMc]

Wow. Someone ban this guy, PLEASE.

 

[keasbey]

i think pushups are more of a endurance thing id do what was previously said and do them and more sets.. maybe if you can do 50 straight now next try 2 sets of 50 and then 3 sets of 50 then jump back and try like 1 set of 60 then 2 sets of 60 or something on those lines. i know the more i did pushups the easier they got. bench doesnt hurt though since you are using those muscles as well i wouldnt throw them out all together

 

[dabuffguy]

LOL!!!!!
I havin' fun at this


Seriously, prove that increasing weight on bench press will mean increase number of pushups. That's kinda like saying increasing squat means I should be able to run 1 mile farther at my current pace

Show me on word in my post that said benching heavy will increase the amount of reps you can do. I don't see anything of the sort.

 

[dabuffguy]

So a guy who benches the most weight has the most endurance in shoulder , tricep and chest muscles?

Is that what I said?


Did I say:

"The guy who benches the most weight has the most endurance in shoulder, tricep and chest muscle." ?

I didn't say that at all.

 

[dabuffguy]

i think pushups are more of a endurance thing id do what was previously said and do them and more sets.. maybe if you can do 50 straight now next try 2 sets of 50 and then 3 sets of 50 then jump back and try like 1 set of 60 then 2 sets of 60 or something on those lines. i know the more i did pushups the easier they got. bench doesnt hurt though since you are using those muscles as well i wouldnt throw them out all together

It's definitley and endurance thing. But, say a kid can only do 20-25, it means he has a lack of strength, not a lack of endurance.

Benching heavy (getting stronger) will help those reps go easier. No, I didn't say it will help you do more of them, but being stronger helps.

 

[bba2]

look at a 1 rep max chart, as your 1rm goes up so does your total reps at a given weight.

when you are stronger a given weight will feel lighter and not tax the muscle as much, this allows you to lift the weight for more reps.

the further something is from your max the more reps you can do with it.

why do runners do interval training? because developing maximum v02 helps improve your distance running. no different with weight. except your working with a differnet system.

 

[dabuffguy]

look at a 1 rep max chart, as your 1rm goes up so does your total reps at a given weight.

when you are stronger a given weight will feel lighter and not tax the muscle as much, this allows you to lift the weight for more reps.

the further something is from your max the more reps you can do with it.

why do runners do interval training? because developing maximum v02 helps improve your distance running. no different with weight. except your working with a differnet system.

That's was the idea I had in mind. Good post.

 

[sothex]

sets every day? twice a day? should i do pushups every day as opposed to having a big workout and taking a day off? i really want to get them up there

 

[sugashane]

right now i can probably do about 50 pushups in one set with difficulty. In about 8 weeks time i want to get it up to 200 in one set, otherwise i don't think i will be able to win. Does anyone have any advice on how i could get my pushups up in this short amount of time?

Sorry but that sound completely unrealistic. In eight weeks you may be able to make a large gain in the amount, but quadrupling a max workload in such a short time frame is not going to happen. And are you sure he can do almost 200? That seems like an ungodly number. The most I've ever done was 86 in a set, and I had to bust my ass to get there.

 

[seagrave]

How about adjusting your form. When I had to do high rep push ups for pt tests I found that I could do them faster and more total when my hands were fairly close to my body. Of course there was a time limit and I could not do 200.

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL at you talking in circles...
"It will help those reps go easier"

What the heck does that mean?

It's definitley and endurance thing. But, say a kid can only do 20-25, it means he has a lack of strength, not a lack of endurance.

Benching heavy (getting stronger) will help those reps go easier. No, I didn't say it will help you do more of them, but being stronger helps.

 

[DaveTSI]

That's kinda like saying increasing squat means I should be able to run 1 mile farther at my current pace

pushups and running can be in no way compared as far as endurance and strength, that makes no sense at all.

i have ZERO endurance, ive trained for 1RM's for the last 4 years, but i can still blow out 80-100 pushups easily becaue my benchpress is so strong. infact i did 77 in 50secs in a physical test i had to take, so yes, increasing your bench will increase the amount of pushups you can do, obviously.

 

[gjohnson5]

What makes no sense is you saying someone who works 1RM on bench is automatically guaranteed 100 pushups. Show any science whatsoever that Type I muscle fiber plays a large part in bench 1RM. Or any other exercise for that matter.

Also show that strong type IIa,x,or b muscle fiber will enable one to do say 100 pushups while completely ignoring diet weight and bodyfat %

This is what makes no sense

pushups and running can be in no way compared as far as endurance and strength, that makes no sense at all.

i have ZERO endurance, ive trained for 1RM's for the last 4 years, but i can still blow out 80-100 pushups easily becaue my benchpress is so strong. infact i did 77 in 50secs in a physical test i had to take, so yes, increasing your bench will increase the amount of pushups you can do, obviously.

 

[gjohnson5]

Hint:

Type I muscle fibers are primarily recruited when doing endurance training since this muscle fiber can use fat (triglycerides) as fuel. These muscles tend not to grow large but since they use fats (as well as oxygen) as fuel , they can be recruited for extended periods of time.

Type II (especially Type IIb) muscle fiber are generally for explosive movements and can grow large. But these muscle fibers generally work on GLYCOGEN and CREATINE PHOSPHATE as fuel. These muscles fibers generally don't require oxygen to work and hence there is a limited amount of work these muscle can generally do at one time

So someone who benches 700 lb is not guaranteed 100 pushups especially since this person probably weighs atleast 250 and the amount of work the lungs and the heart have to do to supply the muscles being recruited with blood and oxygen is just as much a limiting factor as the amount of work the muscles themselves can do....

 

[DaveTSI]

What makes no sense is you saying someone who works 1RM on bench is automatically guaranteed 100 pushups. Show any science whatsoever that Type I muscle fiber plays a large part in bench 1RM. Or any other exercise for that matter.

Also show that strong type IIa,x,or b muscle fiber will enable one to do say 100 pushups while completely ignoring diet weight and bodyfat %

This is what makes no sense

wow you are an idiot

just keep putting words in peoples mouths throughout this thread so you can sound smart ok

you missed my point completely

 

[gjohnson5]

Uuum
From what I read you didn't have a point

You said that you can do 80-100 pushups because you work bench 1RM.
Show anything whatsoever that bench press strength translates to 100 pushups.

Infact I just hinted that the answer is probably nothing

wow you are an idiot

just keep putting words in peoples mouths throughout this thread so you can sound smart ok

you missed my point completely

 

[DaveTSI]

Uuum
From what I read you didn't have a point

You said that you can do 80-100 pushups because you work bench 1RM.
Show anything whatsoever that bench press strength translates to 100 pushups.

Infact I just hinted that the answer is probably nothing

no thats not what i said at all chief, maybe you should work on your reading comprehension

 

[gjohnson5]

Yes you did
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8105206-post18.html

i have ZERO endurance, ive trained for 1RM's for the last 4 years, but i can still blow out 80-100 pushups easily becaue my benchpress is so strong.

Doublecheck your posts

no thats not what i said at all chief, maybe you should work on your reading comprehension

 

[djeclipse]

wow you are an idiot

just keep putting words in peoples mouths throughout this thread so you can sound smart ok

you missed my point completely

He makes a habit of doing this, talks a lot tries to twist words but really says absolutley nothing. When people talk like that, try and twist words it;s a clear indication that they have absolutley no idea what they are talking about

I'm still waiting to see the video of his great deadlift he keeps talking about.

 

[DaveTSI]

Yes you did
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/8105206-post18.html



Doublecheck your posts

lol missing my point completely. whatever dude. again reading comprehension. the funny thing is that 99% of the people reading this thread know what i was saying, and you are arguing here with me(and others) twisting words around looking like an assholeand everyone can see it.

 

[cboogsrun]

I gotta go with gjohnson on this one. When I graduated basic training I could rack out some push ups. 100+ but I couldn't bench more than 250. I've been able to bench 450+ for 3 years and I can't touch 100. It has to do with the ability to endure lactic acid. Breathing, technique (how you position your hands, elbows, and shoulders) are more important than strength. I'm not downplaying strength, but I didn't lift weights when I could do massive amounts of pushups. Body fat is also a factor. If you wanna get to 100+ pushups, do burnouts 10 times a day. We did sets of 25 over a hundred times a day. In 2 weeks I went from doing 55pushups in 2 minutes to doing 85 in 80 seconds.

 

[gjohnson5]

ooh my God, I'm still trying to remember how many pushups we did getting "scuffed" just from fucking up fireguard... It's generally the skinny guys that do the most pushups because
1. they have the least body weight
2. they're relative VO2Max is higher due to point number 1
3. less LBM that needs blood pumped to it

It's not really a question of strength at all. But it's interesting hearing the weight room "talk" get thrown around the boards. Unfortunately most of it's wrong

 

[gjohnson5]

Anyway , I've been working endurance stuff (like pushup) because I do believe it can help lung capacity, heart muscle strength as well as skeletal muscle strength. These are military style workouts anyway, but I believe combined with regular 5x5 type work , I think both can be increased. So I'm trying it just to see if it's better then just doing a workout split 5x5 alone

 

[dabuffguy]

LOL at you talking in circles...
"It will help those reps go easier"

What the heck does that mean?

I'll tell you what it means. It means pushing your body weight in push up position will be physically easier because your strength is greater, making your body weight seem lighter therefore easier to perform a repetition. It really shouldn't require an explanation to figure that out.

 

[dabuffguy]

What makes no sense is you saying someone who works 1RM on bench is automatically guaranteed 100 pushups. Show any science whatsoever that Type I muscle fiber plays a large part in bench 1RM. Or any other exercise for that matter.

Also show that strong type IIa,x,or b muscle fiber will enable one to do say 100 pushups while completely ignoring diet weight and bodyfat %

This is what makes no sense

DaveTSI DID NOT guarantee someone could do 100 pushups if they work 1RM. He never said that. I don't know how you came to think that's what he meant. Just like everyone is saying, you are puting words into peoples mouth.

 

[dabuffguy]

I gotta go with gjohnson on this one. When I graduated basic training I could rack out some push ups. 100+ but I couldn't bench more than 250. I've been able to bench 450+ for 3 years and I can't touch 100. It has to do with the ability to endure lactic acid. Breathing, technique (how you position your hands, elbows, and shoulders) are more important than strength. I'm not downplaying strength, but I didn't lift weights when I could do massive amounts of pushups. Body fat is also a factor. If you wanna get to 100+ pushups, do burnouts 10 times a day. We did sets of 25 over a hundred times a day. In 2 weeks I went from doing 55pushups in 2 minutes to doing 85 in 80 seconds.

When you did your military training you increased your reps via endurance training, which is very effective apparently. That doesn't mean heavy weight training won't help increase reps as well. Strength and endurance combo is the best. Without enough strength, you can't max out your muscles true endurance. By that I mean, when I was in middle school, I could do like 22 pushups, I was a lurp. I could again do 22 pushups with 2 minutes rest, and again with 2 minutes rest. I just didn't have enough strength to really tax my endurance.


But do you believe that benching heavy will help contribute to the ability to perform more reps if correlated also with endurance training like you described in your military training?

I know for a fact that before I started lifting weights, I could do about 35 pushups, weak sauce. I hadn't done a single pushup for more than a year, and when I couldn't make it on chest day to the gym because of my uncle's funeral in march this year, I did pushups to subistitute, I did 82 pushups in one set, and did a second set of 60+. My pushups increased by more than double without every doing one single pushup. I trained in the 8-12 rep range on bench, with a few 4-6 rep sets once in a while.

Fact: Heavy weight training will help you do more push ups than before without ever doing one.

 

[gjohnson5]

Wow , by George I think atleast 1 of you got it...
It's only my theory though

Use the high rep stuff or cardio as a means of hitting type I muscle fiber (which needs time to get stimulated) and then use regular strength training methods to hit type II muscle fiber. The VO2MAX lung capacity and heart / cardiac muscle strength increases from cardio or cardio-like exercise can be applied to the strength training. That way there's more blood and oxygen available to muscles or other parts of th body.

However in terms of increasing poundages, I think this won't be that effective. But I think a few hundred overhead claps and arm circles will be more helpful to bench press then running will... Not to mention those shoulder exercises may help repair rotator cuff

Just food for thought. I'm in the middle of trying this

But do you believe that benching heavy will help contribute to the ability to perform more reps if correlated also with endurance training like you described in your military training?

 

[bigpimpin25]

take anavar and load up on creatine and i bet u could do it!

 

[dabuffguy]

take anavar and load up on creatine and i bet u could do it!

anavar will decrease endurance because it reduces phosphocreatines because it uses them to build strength and mass ( i think that's right, not sure though). creatine would only counter that.

 

[mavssolaj]

gjohnson is right.
According to everyone elses theory of lift heavy and get big n strong; a 300 lb man whom is a heavy bencher should be able to bang out a good 100+ pushups easily, just because he is strong.





I wish it were that easy! Lift heavy weights and everything else will be cake.................................................... not

 

[bba2]

gjohnson is right.
According to everyone elses theory of lift heavy and get big n strong; a 300 lb man whom is a heavy bencher should be able to bang out a good 100+ pushups easily, just because he is strong.





I wish it were that easy! Lift heavy weights and everything else will be cake.................................................... not

no one is saying just lift heavy weight will make you do 100 push ups. but in combonation increasing your 1rm and doing push ups 2 or 3 times a week will get you there. you need to do both.
im 6'2" 225 and never do push ups now, but when i try them once in while for fun i can do over 70 just because im fairly strong. if i did a lot of volume for push ups with my weight training i could easy hit 100 in a short time. when i was younger and a lot lighter i used to do push ups thinking they were the way to go. i couldnt do more than 25 with out being tired. reason being I was weak.

 

[djeclipse]

Basically look at the 2 extremes. 2 guys have never done any pushups in their lifetime... ever.

One guy is strong at bench, can press 315 for reps easily. The other has never benched in his life. Which guy is going to be able to do more pushups? The first guy that has increased his pressing strength, no doubt.

Strength plays a big part in doing any pressing motion obviously. No one said that strength alone will net you 200pushups at once.

gjohnson5 really needs to stop being an ass, learn to actually read and comprehend what he reads and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouthes.

When training for something like max rep pushups at on time strength and conditioning both play a role in achieving your goal. When training for a high rep thing like push up's conditioning will come into play and high rep training will get your body conditioned to do the work. Your cardiovascular conditioning will also play a role in in this case as well, but strength will also play a role.

 

[gjohnson5]

You still arguing and insulting me. Maybe that the other reason Mr 25% bodyfat @ 150lbs got redded. Dude , youre wrong and you just need to face it. Your stats just prove that you don't know what you're talking about...

The guy who has never benched before may be able to do MORE reps then the guy reps 315 for reasons I've already posted up. Pushups to failure are an indicator MUSCULAR ENDURANCE where as bench press 1RM is an indicator of ABSOLUTE STRENGTH. The 2 are totally separate and training one does not necessarily mean gains in the other.

*edit*
Now if your talking about bench press @ 225 to failure as an indicator of bench 1RM , then Ill agree with you. 225 is generally heavy enough to indicate what level of strength the athlete has
*edit*

Basically look at the 2 extremes. 2 guys have never done any pushups in their lifetime... ever.

One guy is strong at bench, can press 315 for reps easily. The other has never benched in his life. Which guy is going to be able to do more pushups? The first guy that has increased his pressing strength, no doubt.

Strength plays a big part in doing any pressing motion obviously. No one said that strength alone will net you 200pushups at once.

gjohnson5 really needs to stop being an ass, learn to actually read and comprehend what he reads and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouthes.

When training for something like max rep pushups at on time strength and conditioning both play a role in achieving your goal. When training for a high rep thing like push up's conditioning will come into play and high rep training will get your body conditioned to do the work. Your cardiovascular conditioning will also play a role in in this case as well, but strength will also play a role.

 

[djeclipse]

You still arguing and insulting me. Maybe that the other reason Mr 25% bodyfat @ 150lbs got redded. Dude , youre wrong and you just need to face it. Your stats just prove that you don't know what you're talking about...

Again more indication that your reading and comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

And you're bragging because you paid money to take away some internet karma? bwhahahha good for you, unlike you, i'm just killing time, my life doesn't revolve around the interenet like you. I actually go to the gym and lift instead of talking about some BS internet lifting you do.

Now if your talking about bench press to failure as an indicator of bench 1RM , then Ill agree with you.

Are you kidding me? Where do you get your rediculous info from? My guess is you read an article with the same horrable reading and comprehension skills as you read the posts in this board and then make up your own story.

High reps at any weight is absolutley NO indication of 1 rep max.

Now i've heard it all, you've lost any validity you previously may have had with this statement.

 

[gjohnson5]

I edited the post for this very reason.
But I'm not going to credit you because you can't argue and remain civil.


But anyway there are studies which indicate bench press @ 225 is a good indicator of bench press 1RM. In other cases it's not true such as bench press 1RM and pushup which you seem to keep arguing for some reason and then flip flop with this post

One guy is strong at bench, can press 315 for reps easily. The other has never benched in his life. Which guy is going to be able to do more pushups? The first guy that has increased his pressing strength, no doubt.

So if you have a point, why don't you say it because your flip flopping is getting annoying

High reps at any weight is absolutley NO indication of 1 rep max.

Now i've heard it all, you've lost any validity you previously may have had with this statement.

 

[djeclipse]

I edited the post for this very reason.
But I'm not going to credit you because you can't argue and remain civil.


But anyway there are studies which indicate bench press @ 225 is a good indicator of bench press 1RM. In other cases it's not true such as bench press 1RM and pushup which you seem to keep arguing for some reason and then flip flop with this post



So if you have a point, why don't you say it because your flip flopping is getting annoying

Have you ever sat back and actually listened to yourself?

I will no longer validate the BS you saw with a response, you can't read it anyway.

Where is that deadlift video by the way? I want to see that big lift you keep talking about. lol

 

[dabuffguy]

I love how you got a bomb from a CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. Real mature of the chairman to bomb you even though he's being a dope.

Johnson, it's like this. Lifting heavy will help you do more reps. You also have to do pudh up training. No one ever said to just do 1RM to increase your max pushup count. Even though 1RM trainng will help your strenght, which does directly effect your ability to do more pushups to a good degree, onw would obviously train with both heavy weights and max rep pushups.

like I said before, wothout ever doing a single push up, i increased by pushup reps from 35ish to 83. Strength is a good part of the equation. Now If I also do pushup training for max rep 2 times a week on top of my regular weight training, I'll be able to do more than 83. It's the combo of both.

You play it off like we are saying "Just do heavy bench press only and you'll do more pushups" That is NOT what we are saying. And DJeclipse is right, your ability to comprehend our posts is terrible. You either don't understand them or completely disregard what we say and try to make us look foolish by twisting our words even though you are making yourself sound foolish.

And I'd love to see your huge deadlift video as well. very interested.

 

[djeclipse]

I love how you got a bomb from a CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. Real mature of the chairman to bomb you even though he's being a dope.

Johnson, it's like this. Lifting heavy will help you do more reps. You also have to do pudh up training. No one ever said to just do 1RM to increase your max pushup count. Even though 1RM trainng will help your strenght, which does directly effect your ability to do more pushups to a good degree, onw would obviously train with both heavy weights and max rep pushups.

like I said before, wothout ever doing a single push up, i increased by pushup reps from 35ish to 83. Strength is a good part of the equation. Now If I also do pushup training for max rep 2 times a week on top of my regular weight training, I'll be able to do more than 83. It's the combo of both.

You play it off like we are saying "Just do heavy bench press only and you'll do more pushups" That is NOT what we are saying. And DJeclipse is right, your ability to comprehend our posts is terrible. You either don't understand them or completely disregard what we say and try to make us look foolish by twisting our words even though you are making yourself sound foolish.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to dabuffguy again.

And I'd love to see your huge deadlift video as well. very interested.

I have a feeling that we'll be waiting a very long time as my guess is he's "internet stats" aren't even close to his real life stats... lol

Apairently his 500 rep sets of deadlift = one amazing 1rep max.

 

[gjohnson5]

I love how you got a bomb from a CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. Real mature of the chairman to bomb you even though he's being a dope.

He redded me first, so he got one in return

Johnson, it's like this. Lifting heavy will help you do more reps.

Lifting heavy at what will help you do more reps at what? Please be clear

You also have to do pudh up training.No one ever said to just do 1RM to increase your max pushup count.

You just said up there that lifting heavy will help you do more reps. You're flip flopping

Even though 1RM trainng will help your strenght, which does directly effect your ability to do more pushups to a good degree,

Show something , ANYTHING to prove that statement

onw would obviously train with both heavy weights and max rep pushups.

I'm trying this , but I am not sure.

like I said before, wothout ever doing a single push up, i increased by pushup reps from 35ish to 83.

How do you do that without ever doing a single pushup?

Strength is a good part of the equation. Now If I also do pushup training for max rep 2 times a week on top of my regular weight training, I'll be able to do more than 83. It's the combo of both.

Maybe , I'm not sure how pushups relates to bench. Youre the one saying that. I did say I''m trying it , but I'm not sure

You play it off like we are saying "Just do heavy bench press only and you'll do more pushups" That is NOT what we are saying.

You two keep flip flopping and doing impossible stuff like increasing pushup reps without ever doing pushups... I'm not twisting your words around , you're just just sounding stupid and incoherent... Maybe you're drunk first thing in the morning??? Might explain why djeclipse is 25% bodyfat with no muscle mass

 

[djeclipse]

He redded me first, so he got one in return


Lifting heavy at what will help you do more reps at what? Please be clear



You just said up there that lifting heavy will help you do more reps. You're flip flopping



Show something , ANYTHING to prove that statement



I'm trying this , but I am not sure.



How do you do that without ever doing a single pushup?



Maybe , I'm not sure how pushups relates to bench. Youre the one saying that. I did say I''m trying it , but I'm not sure



You two keep flip flopping and doing impossible stuff like increasing pushup reps without ever doing pushups... I'm not twisting your words around , you're just just sounding silly and incoherent... Maybe you're drunk first thing in the morning??? Might explain why djeclipse is 25% bodyfat with no muscle mass

WHERE IS YOUR DEADLIFT VIDEO?

 

[gjohnson5]

Keep your shirt on (because we don't wanna see your 85 stomach rolls)
it's comin'

 

[djeclipse]

Keep your shirt on (because we don't wanna see your 85 stomach rolls)
it's comin'

The level of maturity you display is less then my 3 yr old cousin... pretty sad.

Remember, for the vid show the days date and say this is for EF so we know it's not stolen form youtube.

 

[gjohnson5]

Dude , you're the one who started the insults and the redding. I was trying to have a civil argument. I was only commenting on your posts . Youre the reason why things escalated

 

[djeclipse]

Dude , you're the one who started the insults and the redding. I was trying to have a civil argument. I was only commenting on your posts . Youre the reason why things escalated

You're kidding me right? How did I insult you? I didn't agree with what you were saying, is that an insult? I called you on your lack of comprehension skills, is that an insult? Hardly. Or was it that you didn't like when I called you out when you tried to bash the vid I posted of my PR deadlift, by claiming to be capable to lifting signifigantly more.

Your lack of maturity has shown in every post, you have tried to belittle me in every post you make, even when you're not replying to my posts. Every post is about my estimated BF as if it has anything to do with anything.

If I were to loose the BF and be 165-170 competely ripped you'd find some other way to try to insult me because that is the type of person you are. Your insecurities show right through the insults and you look like an ass. By trying to insult me your posts look even more less valid so by all means, keep it up, you're only adding more dirt on your name here.

So once again, post that vid of yours and back up the BS you've been talking. And with all the BS you've beene talking it better be a 700lb deadlift.

 

[dabuffguy]

He redded me first, so he got one in return


Lifting heavy at what will help you do more reps at what? Please be clear

At bench press of course. What have we been talking about the whole time?


You just said up there that lifting heavy will help you do more reps. You're flip flopping


I wasn't flip flopping at all. Again, this just shows your comprehension skills to be that of a 3rd grader.

Show something , ANYTHING to prove that statement

I alredy gave you a personal example twice that is real. I increased my pushup reps by 48 reps without ever doing one single pushup. and it shouldn't require an example anyway, it's common sense really


I'm trying this , but I am not sure.



How do you do that without ever doing a single pushup?

I do it by doing bench press. Do you need me to spell it out for you? Have you not been in this thread long enough to understand the context of what I am saying? Yet another example of your inability to comprehend simple english.


Maybe , I'm not sure how pushups relates to bench. Youre the one saying that. I did say I''m trying it , but I'm not sure

You really don't know how a bench press relates to a push up? You are pulling my leg, kidding me right? Same angle, same pushing motion using the same muscle group....



You two keep flip flopping and doing impossible stuff like increasing pushup reps without ever doing pushups... I'm not twisting your words around , you're just just sounding stupid and incoherent... Maybe you're drunk first thing in the morning??? Might explain why djeclipse is 25% bodyfat with no muscle mass

I nor him have flip flopped a single time. The fact that you accuse us of flip flopping once again shows your inability to comprehend english. Oh, am I drunk first thing in the morning? Is that some kind of a childish joke? You are inferring I am a hard core alcoholic? Real mature, especially for a chairman. FYI i don't rink at all, and have never even tasted beer. Next time you accuse me of such ridiculous shit, i am going to nuke your ass every day for the next year and I have enough karma to do it. Well, I am 225 at 11% bodyfat, and I agree with DJeclipse. His BF has absolutely nothing with his knowledge level. What a ridiculous assumption.

BTW, i have recieved several PM's from people telling me not to argue with you because you're a total joker and I'm wasting my time. I tend to agree 10000000000000000%

 

[pappad]

When I was a kid the World Record holder in 1 and 2 arm pushups went to my church. He could do thousands!!!!

 

[dabuffguy]

Dude , you're the one who started the insults and the redding. I was trying to have a civil argument. I was only commenting on your posts . Youre the reason why things escalated

There shouldn't have been an argument in the first place that would result in any sort of escalation.

I really can't believe you think that strength training in the form of a bench press will not aid in the ability to do more pushups. Thas is so absolutely absurd on so many different levels.

 

[pappad]

Push Up World Records

* non-stop: 10,507; Minoru Yoshida (JAP), Oct 1980
* one year: 1,500,230; Paddy Doyle (GBR), Oct 1988 - Oct 1989
* 24 hours: 46,001; Charles Servizio (USA), 24/25 April 1993
* 1 hour: 3,877; Bijender Singh (IND), 20 Sept 1988
* 30 minutes: 2,354; Rolf Heck (GER), 13 Nov 2000
* 10 minutes (women): 426; Renata Hamplov Sept 1995
* 5 minutes: 441; Giuseppe Cusano (GBR)
* 3 minutes (women): 190; Renata Hamplov 995
* one-armed, one week (168 hours): 16,723; Paddy Doyle (GBR), Feb 1996
* one-armed, 5 hours: 8,794; Paddy Doyle (GBR), 12 Feb 1996
* one-armed, 1 hour: 2521; Paddy Doyle (GBR), 12 Feb 1990
* one-armed, 30 minutes: 1382; Doug Pruden (CAN), 30 July 2003
* one-armed, 10 minutes: 546; Doug Pruden (CAN), 30 July 2003
* one-armed, on back of hands, one hour: 677; Doug Pruden (CAN)
* one-handed handstand pushups: Yury Tikhonovich (Russia) did twelve pushups while standing on one hand in June 2006
* on fists: 5557 (in 3:02:30 hours), Doug Pruden (CAN), 9 July 2004,
* 1000 pushups on fists: 18:13 minutes, Doug Pruden (CAN), 9 July 2003
* on back of hands, 15 minutes: 627; Paddy Doyle (GBR), 8 November 2007
* on back of hands, 30 minutes: 1386; Paddy Doyle (GBR), 8 November 2007
* on back of hands, 1 hour: 1940; Paddy Doyle (GBR), 8 November 2007
* finger-tips, 5 hours: 8,200; Terry Cole (GBR), 11 May 1996 in Walthamstow
* one finger: 124 Paul Lynch (GBR), 21 April 1992 in London
* 100 push-ups with feet at a 80 cm [2 ft 7 1/2 in] high table: 45.7 sec; Roy Berger (CAN), 24 Feb 2001
* with a 50 lb [22.68 kg] plate weight on his back: 4,100: Paddy Doyle (GBR), 28 May 1987
* with hands on raw eggs: 112; Johann Schneider

Here is the Guinness World Records definition of a push up: “What counts as a pushup? The palms must be at shoulder-width. The body must remain straight throughout, i.e., no bending at knees or waist. The body must be lowered until at least 90 degree-angle is attained at the elbow and the body is parralel to the ground. The body must then be raised until the arms are straight. This equals one push-up. All pushups should be made on a hard surface. This basic principle applies to all our push-up entries with minor modifications.”

The 30 Second World Record: 102 Push Ups

 

[djeclipse]

non-stop: 10,507; Minoru Yoshida (JAP), Oct 1980

That is hard to believe 10,000 non stop push up's, with no rest?

Is there a video anywhere?

 

[dabuffguy]

That is hard to believe 10,000 non stop push up's, with no rest?

Is there a video anywhere?

You are flip flopping like a fish. He said he did 10,507 not 10,000. Duh DJ! LOL!

 

[djeclipse]

You are flip flopping like a fish. He said he did 10,507 not 10,000. Duh DJ! LOL!

I lack comprehension skills and read at a grade 3 level....

You are fat so you don't know what you are talking about, even though you are right I'll just make up my own reality and pretend I have a clue.

Oh ya I forgot... I am internet strong!~ grrrr


lol

 

[dabuffguy]

I lack comprehension skills and read at a grade 3 level....

You are fat so you don't know what you are talking about, even though you are right I'll just make up my own reality and pretend I have a clue.

Oh ya I forgot... I am internet strong!~ grrrr


lol

We have gone too far with the mocking. Funny as hell though.

 

[djeclipse]

We have gone too far with the mocking. Funny as hell though.

Yes it is...

 

[sothex]

you guys are ridiculous. There are 6 pages of responses and not one solid post pertaining to the question. I don't even know why i fuck with these forums.

 

[dabuffguy]

you guys are ridiculous. There are 6 pages of responses and not one solid post pertaining to the question. I don't even know why i fuck with these forums.

It's gjohnsons fault for starting yet another ridiculous argument. Don't get all bent out of shape.

Do heavy bench training once a week and max pushup training every 3 days, and not on the same day as you bench.

 

[djeclipse]

you guys are ridiculous. There are 6 pages of responses and not one solid post pertaining to the question. I don't even know why i fuck with these forums.

Are you kidding?

You came here asking how to achieve a rediculous goal in a time frame that is just not possible given where you are currently at.

You were given a few options as far as how to go about trying to achieve the goal. If you choose to ignore the info then that's your choice, but don't blame the board.

 

[gjohnson5]

That's the forums. People disagree on things.

You can listen to those dopes telling you to bench. If I were you I would do
1. pushups elevated on chairs.
2. push-ups w/a weight vest.
3. ab and back work in the gym since most people are weak at those
4. clap push ups

There's no solid science that I can find that says increased bench means increased number of pushups for the reasons I've already stated. The same is true for vice versa. There no solid science saying increased pushups = increased bench. A person with a higher percentage type I muscle fiber will be better at doing pushups because he has muscles that use fat and oxygen as fuels hence he will have more endurance. Having LOWER bodyweight means less to push up. Dropping bodyweight won't mean increased bench. Anyone who says absolutely that one helps the other has no proof of anything they say and is a quack as far as I'm concerned. Pushups work more then just shoulders , triceps and chest. They work abs , lats and stabilizer muscles such as the rotator cuff. Not to mention pushups have a tons of variations which can place more stress on certain muscles. Hand position variations can place more stress on certain muscles as well. Find the one that works best for u. It may be that abs work and back work do the trick for you. It depends on what muscles are weakest for you and hit those. Doing clap pushups will for you to explode up off the ground to clap. If you have weak triceps, then by all means do narrow grip benches, but I would say dumbell press would be a better choice.

But anyway doing heavy bench won't necessarily help in pushups especially since your lying on a bench and most of the stabilizer muscles (obliques, intercoastals, lower back) are at rest because of it.
Not to mention bad form commonly causes rotator cuff pain.

*edit*
For got to mention CNS
The nerve stimulus from holding 315 in your hands in comparison to front leaning rest are completely different. Also the stimulus from doing 3 reps heavy bench in comparison to hitting pushups to failure is also competely different. training the nervous system to lift heavy isn't how you train reps to failure
*edit*

you guys are ridiculous. There are 6 pages of responses and not one solid post pertaining to the question. I don't even know why i fuck with these forums.

 

[ceo]

While I believe weight training will help one be able to do more pushups, I think there's a threshold. I would doubt that a 250+ lb PL'er could do as many pushups as a guy who weighed 180 and did nothing but pushups every day (2 extremes, I know). But take the middle ground somewhere...a guy training mainly with bodyweight exercises focused on highest # of reps, while also adding in some weight training for additional strength, while keeping bodyweight fairly low, would probably be optimal at this competition.

I've looked at videos for planche pushups (the kind where your feet don't touch the ground), and planche pushups into 90 degree pushups, and none of the guys that are able to do them are real mass monsters.

 

[pappad]

That is hard to believe 10,000 non stop push up's, with no rest?

Is there a video anywhere?

It is true! The guy that went to my church in the 80's could do it as well. He would do like 2500 one arms in one shot!! He was AWESOME!1!

 

[dabuffguy]

That's the forums. People disagree on things.

You can listen to those dopes telling you to bench. If I were you I would do
1. pushups elevated on chairs.
2. push-ups w/a weight vest.
3. ab and back work in the gym since most people are weak at those
4. clap push ups

There's no solid science that I can find that says increased bench means increased number of pushups for the reasons I've already stated. The same is true for vice versa. There no solid science saying increased pushups = increased bench. A person with a higher percentage type I muscle fiber will be better at doing pushups because he has muscles that use fat and oxygen as fuels hence he will have more endurance. Having LOWER bodyweight means less to push up. Dropping bodyweight won't mean increased bench. Anyone who says absolutely that one helps the other has no proof of anything they say and is a quack as far as I'm concerned. Pushups work more then just shoulders , triceps and chest. They work abs , lats and stabilizer muscles such as the rotator cuff. Not to mention pushups have a tons of variations which can place more stress on certain muscles. Hand position variations can place more stress on certain muscles as well. Find the one that works best for u. It may be that abs work and back work do the trick for you. It depends on what muscles are weakest for you and hit those. Doing clap pushups will for you to explode up off the ground to clap. If you have weak triceps, then by all means do narrow grip benches, but I would say dumbell press would be a better choice.

But anyway doing heavy bench won't necessarily help in pushups especially since your lying on a bench and most of the stabilizer muscles (obliques, intercoastals, lower back) are at rest because of it.
Not to mention bad form commonly causes rotator cuff pain.

*edit*
For got to mention CNS
The nerve stimulus from holding 315 in your hands in comparison to front leaning rest are completely different. Also the stimulus from doing 3 reps heavy bench in comparison to hitting pushups to failure is also competely different. training the nervous system to lift heavy isn't how you train reps to failure
*edit*

My personal experience I stated is solid proof that bench pressing will help you increase pushups without ever even doing one. You don't need a scientific study for everything. Increasing pressing strength helps no matter how you look at it, whether it's with weighted pushups or a bench press it is essentially the same motion. No scientific study that could be performed would contradict that statement and I'm willing to bet 500,000 karma on that, and a splintered and spiked wooden log rammed up my ass.



If you took a 2 subjects that both had a 25 rep maximum and one did bench pressing, and the other did nothing for 8 weeks, the subject that did bench pressing is most definitely, undoubtedly, with 100% assurance going to increase the amount of reps on his push ups (most likely atleast doubling it) while the other kids would remain virtually the same. You think that's wrong? Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.

 

[djeclipse]

My personal experience I stated is solid proof that bench pressing will help you increase pushups without ever even doing one. You don't need a scientific study for everything. Increasing pressing strength helps no matter how you look at it, whether it's with weighted pushups or a bench press it is essentially the same motion. No scientific study that could be performed would contradict that statement and I'm willing to bet 500,000 karma on that, and a splintered and spiked wooden log rammed up my ass.



If you took a 2 subjects that both had a 25 rep maximum and one did bench pressing, and the other did nothing for 8 weeks, the subject that did bench pressing is most definitely, undoubtedly, with 100% assurance going to increase the amount of reps on his push ups (most likely atleast doubling it) while the other kids would remain virtually the same. You think that's wrong? Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.

I'm sure he'll find some rediculous way to argue that. Probbaly by trying to twist your words around asusual.

But great example.

 

[gjohnson5]

Cyanide works well...

Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.

 

[ceo]

If you took a 2 subjects that both had a 25 rep maximum and one did bench pressing, and the other did nothing for 8 weeks, the subject that did bench pressing is most definitely, undoubtedly, with 100% assurance going to increase the amount of reps on his push ups (most likely atleast doubling it) while the other kids would remain virtually the same. You think that's wrong? Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.

Um...one did nothing? Well, duh!! How about one does just bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM, and the other does just pushups trying to increase his endurance (max # reps)?

Who do you think will be doing more pushups in 8 weeks?

I'd put my money on the guy doing just pushups.

 

[gjohnson5]

Even in this example it is not guaranteed that the person who weight trains will gain at push up reps. What if he trained at flat bench but gained 40lb in the 8 weeks due to not doing any cardio and having a horrible diet... So your saying while ignoring bodyweight , bodyfat percentage , years training, diet , the type of training, and any pre-existing physical condition , anyone will double thier push-ups just from benching for 8 weeks?

Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.

If you took a 2 subjects that both had a 25 rep maximum and one did bench pressing, and the other did nothing for 8 weeks, the subject that did bench pressing is most definitely, undoubtedly, with 100% assurance going to increase the amount of reps on his push ups (most likely atleast doubling it) while the other kids would remain virtually the same. You think that's wrong? Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.

 

[dabuffguy]

Even in this example it is not guaranteed that the person who weight trains will gain at push up reps. What if he trained at flat bench but gained 40lb in the 8 weeks due to not doing any cardio and having a horrible diet...

Again, you're are totally blowing this out of proportion on purpose. What the hell are you playing at? Is this just some kind of a joke?

So your saying while ignoring bodyweight , bodyfat percentage , years training, diet , the type of training, and any pre-existing physical condition , anyone will double thier push-ups just from benching for 8 weeks?

Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.

You've got to be screwing with me man, is this some kind of a sick joke or something? Where in the crap did I say one of those things? Quote me where I said I ignored any of those things.

Answer me this directly with a yes or no response only:

Did I type out in words, in my post previous to this one, that I would ignore body fat, body weight, years training, diet, the type of training and any pre existing physical condition?







Just to make it more clear since gjohnson can understand.

My previous example, further specified so no one can nit pick at it and be a tool:

Both subjects are 16 years old, identical twins, both are 5'10 and weigh 160lbs. Both have 30" waists and body fat are both exactly 12%, and all body part measurements are exactly the same. Neither have ever done a push up or lifted weigths in their life. They both complete 25 repetitions maximum of push-ups at the beginning of the study. They both eat exactly the same portion of food at the same exact time, bite for bite, and are even quarantined in the same damn room with the same oxygen % in the air, lol. Subject 1 does no type of excercise for the entire course of 8 weeks. Subject 2 does bench press only, performing 5 sets of 10 repetitions every 5 days, increasing weight as permitted by develpment.

At the end of 8 weeks, I guarantee 100% that Subject 2 will have dramatically increased the number of push-ups he can do.


Seriously, Gjohnson, I feel sorry for you because you are you, and your brain works the way it does.

 

[dabuffguy]

Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'm sure he'll find some rediculous way to argue that. Probbaly by trying to twist your words around asusual.

But great example.

He did exactly that. He put words into my mouth and only ended up making himself sound even more incompetent.

 

[dabuffguy]

Cyanide works well...

Are you suggesting I commit suicide by way of cyanide poisoning?

IMO, anyone that suggests another person kill themself should be lynched.

 

[ceo]

Both subjects are 16 years old, identical twins, both are 5'10 and weigh 160lbs. Both have 30" waists and body fat are both exactly 12%, and all body part measurements are exactly the same. Neither have ever done a push up or lifted weigths in their life. They both complete 25 repetitions maximum of push-ups at the beginning of the study. They both eat exactly the same portion of food at the same exact time, bite for bite, and are even quarantined in the same damn room with the same oxygen % in the air, lol. Subject 1 does no type of excercise for the entire course of 8 weeks. Subject 2 does bench press only, performing 5 sets of 10 repetitions every 5 days, increasing weight as permitted by develpment.

At the end of 8 weeks, I guarantee 100% that Subject 2 will have dramatically increased the number of push-ups he can do.

A bit ridiculous, but I'll give this scenario to you. BUT...say twin #1 did nothing but pushups for the 8 weeks in attempt to increase his endurance and maximum # reps.

I would then give the advantage to twin #1.

 

[dabuffguy]

A bit ridiculous, but I'll give this scenario to you. BUT...say twin #1 did nothing but pushups for the 8 weeks in attempt to increase his endurance and maximum # reps.

I would then give the advantage to twin #1.

It was riduclous on purpose, lol.




I'll agree with that though. In this case, subject #1 would probably end up increasing his reps more than subject #2. But, subject #2 will still show very dramatic improvements in his push-up rep max y doing bench press only.


Mister chairman over there though happens to want to argue the point that bench pressing won't increae your push-up reps alone. He says it's not guaranteed. I can't guarante you'll take another breath, if you want to be that absurd about it, but you undoubtedly are going to take another breath anyway. Of, course I'll have to spell out that last statement because Chairman Johnson over there won't understand it, but i'll let him use his ape brain to figure it out.

Gjohnson, read CEO's banner saying in his avatar above the pope. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[gjohnson5]

I just wanna know when you're gonna kill yourself???

LOL!

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

 

[dabuffguy]

I just wanna know when you're gonna kill yourself???

LOL!

Is that even supposed to be funny? What kind of a sick twisted fuck laughs at the suggestion for someone to commit suicide?

DJ and I are still waiting for your monstrous deadlift video too. We both know we'll never see that.

 

[DaveTSI]

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

you do realize you pay to be chairman of the board dont you

 

[djeclipse]

dabuffguy's case study would be good to to see if bench press strength increases push up rep max as the only variable is bench press.

Um...one did nothing? Well, duh!! How about one does just bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM, and the other does just pushups trying to increase his endurance (max # reps)?

Who do you think will be doing more pushups in 8 weeks?

I'd put my money on the guy doing just pushups.

That is not a proper "studdy" as there are 2 variables in this one is training push up's and one is ding bench.. We already know that conditioning your body/ training in a certain rep range will get you good at that rep range, so the guy doing push up''s over doing one rep bench will win. But this does not tell us if bench press directly helps your push up max.

But gjohnson5 is trying to say that bench has no effect what so ever for doing push up's.

A proper study would be as follows. 2 men of identicla weight, identical BF%, eating, training, sleeping, habits, everything is controlled. the only variable is bench press being done by one guy.

Subject 1 does pushup's only,

Subject 2 does push up's and bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM.

This way the only vairable is Bench press, since each guy is doing pushup's. My money is on the guy doing both push up's and bench.

 

[djeclipse]

I just wanna know when you're gonna kill yourself???

LOL!

Is that video ready yet, or are you finally ready to admit your internet stats are only real to those gullible enough to believe them. Unfortunately for you. no one here is

 

[cboogsrun]

When you did your military training you increased your reps via endurance training, which is very effective apparently. That doesn't mean heavy weight training won't help increase reps as well. Strength and endurance combo is the best. Without enough strength, you can't max out your muscles true endurance. By that I mean, when I was in middle school, I could do like 22 pushups, I was a lurp. I could again do 22 pushups with 2 minutes rest, and again with 2 minutes rest. I just didn't have enough strength to really tax my endurance.


But do you believe that benching heavy will help contribute to the ability to perform more reps if correlated also with endurance training like you described in your military training?

I know for a fact that before I started lifting weights, I could do about 35 pushups, weak sauce. I hadn't done a single pushup for more than a year, and when I couldn't make it on chest day to the gym because of my uncle's funeral in march this year, I did pushups to subistitute, I did 82 pushups in one set, and did a second set of 60+. My pushups increased by more than double without every doing one single pushup. I trained in the 8-12 rep range on bench, with a few 4-6 rep sets once in a while.

Fact: Heavy weight training will help you do more push ups than before without ever doing one.

I believe getting stronger will help you do more pushups. However mass reps will increase body weight, which in my experience hurts the amount of pushups a person will be able to do. You still havent done a set of 100, which will require endurance training.

 

[cboogsrun]

Lets see a pic of the world record holder. I'm guessing he is a skinny fella. Probably has tons of slow twitch muscle fibers as GJohnson was saying. Now lets take a look at the world record holder Scott Mendelson, he's a big mother fucker.

 

[Azinine]

Damn. This guy banged out 100 push ups easy. Looks like he could bench heavy, too.

 

[djeclipse]

While I believe weight training will help one be able to do more pushups, I think there's a threshold. I would doubt that a 250+ lb PL'er could do as many pushups as a guy who weighed 180 and did nothing but pushups every day (2 extremes, I know). But take the middle ground somewhere...a guy training mainly with bodyweight exercises focused on highest # of reps, while also adding in some weight training for additional strength, while keeping bodyweight fairly low, would probably be optimal at this competition.

I've looked at videos for planche pushups (the kind where your feet don't touch the ground), and planche pushups into 90 degree pushups, and none of the guys that are able to do them are real mass monsters.

That vid is insane. What balance and BW strength that guy has to do that.