push up competition

[dabuffguy]

What makes no sense is you saying someone who works 1RM on bench is automatically guaranteed 100 pushups. Show any science whatsoever that Type I muscle fiber plays a large part in bench 1RM. Or any other exercise for that matter.

Also show that strong type IIa,x,or b muscle fiber will enable one to do say 100 pushups while completely ignoring diet weight and bodyfat %

This is what makes no sense

DaveTSI DID NOT guarantee someone could do 100 pushups if they work 1RM. He never said that. I don't know how you came to think that's what he meant. Just like everyone is saying, you are puting words into peoples mouth.

 

[dabuffguy]

I gotta go with gjohnson on this one. When I graduated basic training I could rack out some push ups. 100+ but I couldn't bench more than 250. I've been able to bench 450+ for 3 years and I can't touch 100. It has to do with the ability to endure lactic acid. Breathing, technique (how you position your hands, elbows, and shoulders) are more important than strength. I'm not downplaying strength, but I didn't lift weights when I could do massive amounts of pushups. Body fat is also a factor. If you wanna get to 100+ pushups, do burnouts 10 times a day. We did sets of 25 over a hundred times a day. In 2 weeks I went from doing 55pushups in 2 minutes to doing 85 in 80 seconds.

When you did your military training you increased your reps via endurance training, which is very effective apparently. That doesn't mean heavy weight training won't help increase reps as well. Strength and endurance combo is the best. Without enough strength, you can't max out your muscles true endurance. By that I mean, when I was in middle school, I could do like 22 pushups, I was a lurp. I could again do 22 pushups with 2 minutes rest, and again with 2 minutes rest. I just didn't have enough strength to really tax my endurance.


But do you believe that benching heavy will help contribute to the ability to perform more reps if correlated also with endurance training like you described in your military training?

I know for a fact that before I started lifting weights, I could do about 35 pushups, weak sauce. I hadn't done a single pushup for more than a year, and when I couldn't make it on chest day to the gym because of my uncle's funeral in march this year, I did pushups to subistitute, I did 82 pushups in one set, and did a second set of 60+. My pushups increased by more than double without every doing one single pushup. I trained in the 8-12 rep range on bench, with a few 4-6 rep sets once in a while.

Fact: Heavy weight training will help you do more push ups than before without ever doing one.

 

[gjohnson5]

Wow , by George I think atleast 1 of you got it...
It's only my theory though

Use the high rep stuff or cardio as a means of hitting type I muscle fiber (which needs time to get stimulated) and then use regular strength training methods to hit type II muscle fiber. The VO2MAX lung capacity and heart / cardiac muscle strength increases from cardio or cardio-like exercise can be applied to the strength training. That way there's more blood and oxygen available to muscles or other parts of th body.

However in terms of increasing poundages, I think this won't be that effective. But I think a few hundred overhead claps and arm circles will be more helpful to bench press then running will... Not to mention those shoulder exercises may help repair rotator cuff

Just food for thought. I'm in the middle of trying this

But do you believe that benching heavy will help contribute to the ability to perform more reps if correlated also with endurance training like you described in your military training?

 

[bigpimpin25]

take anavar and load up on creatine and i bet u could do it!

 

[dabuffguy]

take anavar and load up on creatine and i bet u could do it!

anavar will decrease endurance because it reduces phosphocreatines because it uses them to build strength and mass ( i think that's right, not sure though). creatine would only counter that.

 

[mavssolaj]

gjohnson is right.
According to everyone elses theory of lift heavy and get big n strong; a 300 lb man whom is a heavy bencher should be able to bang out a good 100+ pushups easily, just because he is strong.





I wish it were that easy! Lift heavy weights and everything else will be cake.................................................... not

 

[bba2]

gjohnson is right.
According to everyone elses theory of lift heavy and get big n strong; a 300 lb man whom is a heavy bencher should be able to bang out a good 100+ pushups easily, just because he is strong.





I wish it were that easy! Lift heavy weights and everything else will be cake.................................................... not

no one is saying just lift heavy weight will make you do 100 push ups. but in combonation increasing your 1rm and doing push ups 2 or 3 times a week will get you there. you need to do both.
im 6'2" 225 and never do push ups now, but when i try them once in while for fun i can do over 70 just because im fairly strong. if i did a lot of volume for push ups with my weight training i could easy hit 100 in a short time. when i was younger and a lot lighter i used to do push ups thinking they were the way to go. i couldnt do more than 25 with out being tired. reason being I was weak.

 

[djeclipse]

Basically look at the 2 extremes. 2 guys have never done any pushups in their lifetime... ever.

One guy is strong at bench, can press 315 for reps easily. The other has never benched in his life. Which guy is going to be able to do more pushups? The first guy that has increased his pressing strength, no doubt.

Strength plays a big part in doing any pressing motion obviously. No one said that strength alone will net you 200pushups at once.

gjohnson5 really needs to stop being an ass, learn to actually read and comprehend what he reads and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouthes.

When training for something like max rep pushups at on time strength and conditioning both play a role in achieving your goal. When training for a high rep thing like push up's conditioning will come into play and high rep training will get your body conditioned to do the work. Your cardiovascular conditioning will also play a role in in this case as well, but strength will also play a role.

 

[gjohnson5]

You still arguing and insulting me. Maybe that the other reason Mr 25% bodyfat @ 150lbs got redded. Dude , youre wrong and you just need to face it. Your stats just prove that you don't know what you're talking about...

The guy who has never benched before may be able to do MORE reps then the guy reps 315 for reasons I've already posted up. Pushups to failure are an indicator MUSCULAR ENDURANCE where as bench press 1RM is an indicator of ABSOLUTE STRENGTH. The 2 are totally separate and training one does not necessarily mean gains in the other.

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Now if your talking about bench press @ 225 to failure as an indicator of bench 1RM , then Ill agree with you. 225 is generally heavy enough to indicate what level of strength the athlete has
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Basically look at the 2 extremes. 2 guys have never done any pushups in their lifetime... ever.

One guy is strong at bench, can press 315 for reps easily. The other has never benched in his life. Which guy is going to be able to do more pushups? The first guy that has increased his pressing strength, no doubt.

Strength plays a big part in doing any pressing motion obviously. No one said that strength alone will net you 200pushups at once.

gjohnson5 really needs to stop being an ass, learn to actually read and comprehend what he reads and stop trying to put words in other peoples mouthes.

When training for something like max rep pushups at on time strength and conditioning both play a role in achieving your goal. When training for a high rep thing like push up's conditioning will come into play and high rep training will get your body conditioned to do the work. Your cardiovascular conditioning will also play a role in in this case as well, but strength will also play a role.

 

[djeclipse]

You still arguing and insulting me. Maybe that the other reason Mr 25% bodyfat @ 150lbs got redded. Dude , youre wrong and you just need to face it. Your stats just prove that you don't know what you're talking about...

Again more indication that your reading and comprehension skills are seriously lacking.

And you're bragging because you paid money to take away some internet karma? bwhahahha good for you, unlike you, i'm just killing time, my life doesn't revolve around the interenet like you. I actually go to the gym and lift instead of talking about some BS internet lifting you do.

Now if your talking about bench press to failure as an indicator of bench 1RM , then Ill agree with you.

Are you kidding me? Where do you get your rediculous info from? My guess is you read an article with the same horrable reading and comprehension skills as you read the posts in this board and then make up your own story.

High reps at any weight is absolutley NO indication of 1 rep max.

Now i've heard it all, you've lost any validity you previously may have had with this statement.