push up competition

[dabuffguy]

Even in this example it is not guaranteed that the person who weight trains will gain at push up reps. What if he trained at flat bench but gained 40lb in the 8 weeks due to not doing any cardio and having a horrible diet...

Again, you're are totally blowing this out of proportion on purpose. What the hell are you playing at? Is this just some kind of a joke?

So your saying while ignoring bodyweight , bodyfat percentage , years training, diet , the type of training, and any pre-existing physical condition , anyone will double thier push-ups just from benching for 8 weeks?

Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.

You've got to be screwing with me man, is this some kind of a sick joke or something? Where in the crap did I say one of those things? Quote me where I said I ignored any of those things.

Answer me this directly with a yes or no response only:

Did I type out in words, in my post previous to this one, that I would ignore body fat, body weight, years training, diet, the type of training and any pre existing physical condition?







Just to make it more clear since gjohnson can understand.

My previous example, further specified so no one can nit pick at it and be a tool:

Both subjects are 16 years old, identical twins, both are 5'10 and weigh 160lbs. Both have 30" waists and body fat are both exactly 12%, and all body part measurements are exactly the same. Neither have ever done a push up or lifted weigths in their life. They both complete 25 repetitions maximum of push-ups at the beginning of the study. They both eat exactly the same portion of food at the same exact time, bite for bite, and are even quarantined in the same damn room with the same oxygen % in the air, lol. Subject 1 does no type of excercise for the entire course of 8 weeks. Subject 2 does bench press only, performing 5 sets of 10 repetitions every 5 days, increasing weight as permitted by develpment.

At the end of 8 weeks, I guarantee 100% that Subject 2 will have dramatically increased the number of push-ups he can do.


Seriously, Gjohnson, I feel sorry for you because you are you, and your brain works the way it does.

 

[dabuffguy]

Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'm sure he'll find some rediculous way to argue that. Probbaly by trying to twist your words around asusual.

But great example.

He did exactly that. He put words into my mouth and only ended up making himself sound even more incompetent.

 

[dabuffguy]

Cyanide works well...

Are you suggesting I commit suicide by way of cyanide poisoning?

IMO, anyone that suggests another person kill themself should be lynched.

 

[ceo]

Both subjects are 16 years old, identical twins, both are 5'10 and weigh 160lbs. Both have 30" waists and body fat are both exactly 12%, and all body part measurements are exactly the same. Neither have ever done a push up or lifted weigths in their life. They both complete 25 repetitions maximum of push-ups at the beginning of the study. They both eat exactly the same portion of food at the same exact time, bite for bite, and are even quarantined in the same damn room with the same oxygen % in the air, lol. Subject 1 does no type of excercise for the entire course of 8 weeks. Subject 2 does bench press only, performing 5 sets of 10 repetitions every 5 days, increasing weight as permitted by develpment.

At the end of 8 weeks, I guarantee 100% that Subject 2 will have dramatically increased the number of push-ups he can do.

A bit ridiculous, but I'll give this scenario to you. BUT...say twin #1 did nothing but pushups for the 8 weeks in attempt to increase his endurance and maximum # reps.

I would then give the advantage to twin #1.

 

[dabuffguy]

A bit ridiculous, but I'll give this scenario to you. BUT...say twin #1 did nothing but pushups for the 8 weeks in attempt to increase his endurance and maximum # reps.

I would then give the advantage to twin #1.

It was riduclous on purpose, lol.




I'll agree with that though. In this case, subject #1 would probably end up increasing his reps more than subject #2. But, subject #2 will still show very dramatic improvements in his push-up rep max y doing bench press only.


Mister chairman over there though happens to want to argue the point that bench pressing won't increae your push-up reps alone. He says it's not guaranteed. I can't guarante you'll take another breath, if you want to be that absurd about it, but you undoubtedly are going to take another breath anyway. Of, course I'll have to spell out that last statement because Chairman Johnson over there won't understand it, but i'll let him use his ape brain to figure it out.

Gjohnson, read CEO's banner saying in his avatar above the pope. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[gjohnson5]

I just wanna know when you're gonna kill yourself???

LOL!

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

 

[dabuffguy]

I just wanna know when you're gonna kill yourself???

LOL!

Is that even supposed to be funny? What kind of a sick twisted fuck laughs at the suggestion for someone to commit suicide?

DJ and I are still waiting for your monstrous deadlift video too. We both know we'll never see that.

 

[DaveTSI]

For being a Chairman of the Board, I wouldn't expect you to give 10 year old smart-ass snide remarks like this one. Grow up.

you do realize you pay to be chairman of the board dont you

 

[djeclipse]

dabuffguy's case study would be good to to see if bench press strength increases push up rep max as the only variable is bench press.

Um...one did nothing? Well, duh!! How about one does just bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM, and the other does just pushups trying to increase his endurance (max # reps)?

Who do you think will be doing more pushups in 8 weeks?

I'd put my money on the guy doing just pushups.

That is not a proper "studdy" as there are 2 variables in this one is training push up's and one is ding bench.. We already know that conditioning your body/ training in a certain rep range will get you good at that rep range, so the guy doing push up''s over doing one rep bench will win. But this does not tell us if bench press directly helps your push up max.

But gjohnson5 is trying to say that bench has no effect what so ever for doing push up's.

A proper study would be as follows. 2 men of identicla weight, identical BF%, eating, training, sleeping, habits, everything is controlled. the only variable is bench press being done by one guy.

Subject 1 does pushup's only,

Subject 2 does push up's and bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM.

This way the only vairable is Bench press, since each guy is doing pushup's. My money is on the guy doing both push up's and bench.