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djeclipse
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sothex said:
Are you kidding?
You came here asking how to achieve a rediculous goal in a time frame that is just not possible given where you are currently at.
You were given a few options as far as how to go about trying to achieve the goal. If you choose to ignore the info then that's your choice, but don't blame the board.
gjohnson5
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That's the forums. People disagree on things.
You can listen to those dopes telling you to bench. If I were you I would do
1. pushups elevated on chairs.
2. push-ups w/a weight vest.
3. ab and back work in the gym since most people are weak at those
4. clap push ups
There's no solid science that I can find that says increased bench means increased number of pushups for the reasons I've already stated. The same is true for vice versa. There no solid science saying increased pushups = increased bench. A person with a higher percentage type I muscle fiber will be better at doing pushups because he has muscles that use fat and oxygen as fuels hence he will have more endurance. Having LOWER bodyweight means less to push up. Dropping bodyweight won't mean increased bench. Anyone who says absolutely that one helps the other has no proof of anything they say and is a quack as far as I'm concerned. Pushups work more then just shoulders , triceps and chest. They work abs , lats and stabilizer muscles such as the rotator cuff. Not to mention pushups have a tons of variations which can place more stress on certain muscles. Hand position variations can place more stress on certain muscles as well. Find the one that works best for u. It may be that abs work and back work do the trick for you. It depends on what muscles are weakest for you and hit those. Doing clap pushups will for you to explode up off the ground to clap. If you have weak triceps, then by all means do narrow grip benches, but I would say dumbell press would be a better choice.
But anyway doing heavy bench won't necessarily help in pushups especially since your lying on a bench and most of the stabilizer muscles (obliques, intercoastals, lower back) are at rest because of it.
Not to mention bad form commonly causes rotator cuff pain.
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For got to mention CNS
The nerve stimulus from holding 315 in your hands in comparison to front leaning rest are completely different. Also the stimulus from doing 3 reps heavy bench in comparison to hitting pushups to failure is also competely different. training the nervous system to lift heavy isn't how you train reps to failure
*edit*
You can listen to those dopes telling you to bench. If I were you I would do
1. pushups elevated on chairs.
2. push-ups w/a weight vest.
3. ab and back work in the gym since most people are weak at those
4. clap push ups
There's no solid science that I can find that says increased bench means increased number of pushups for the reasons I've already stated. The same is true for vice versa. There no solid science saying increased pushups = increased bench. A person with a higher percentage type I muscle fiber will be better at doing pushups because he has muscles that use fat and oxygen as fuels hence he will have more endurance. Having LOWER bodyweight means less to push up. Dropping bodyweight won't mean increased bench. Anyone who says absolutely that one helps the other has no proof of anything they say and is a quack as far as I'm concerned. Pushups work more then just shoulders , triceps and chest. They work abs , lats and stabilizer muscles such as the rotator cuff. Not to mention pushups have a tons of variations which can place more stress on certain muscles. Hand position variations can place more stress on certain muscles as well. Find the one that works best for u. It may be that abs work and back work do the trick for you. It depends on what muscles are weakest for you and hit those. Doing clap pushups will for you to explode up off the ground to clap. If you have weak triceps, then by all means do narrow grip benches, but I would say dumbell press would be a better choice.
But anyway doing heavy bench won't necessarily help in pushups especially since your lying on a bench and most of the stabilizer muscles (obliques, intercoastals, lower back) are at rest because of it.
Not to mention bad form commonly causes rotator cuff pain.
*edit*
For got to mention CNS
The nerve stimulus from holding 315 in your hands in comparison to front leaning rest are completely different. Also the stimulus from doing 3 reps heavy bench in comparison to hitting pushups to failure is also competely different. training the nervous system to lift heavy isn't how you train reps to failure
*edit*
sothex said:
While I believe weight training will help one be able to do more pushups, I think there's a threshold. I would doubt that a 250+ lb PL'er could do as many pushups as a guy who weighed 180 and did nothing but pushups every day (2 extremes, I know). But take the middle ground somewhere...a guy training mainly with bodyweight exercises focused on highest # of reps, while also adding in some weight training for additional strength, while keeping bodyweight fairly low, would probably be optimal at this competition.
I've looked at videos for planche pushups (the kind where your feet don't touch the ground), and planche pushups into 90 degree pushups, and none of the guys that are able to do them are real mass monsters.
I've looked at videos for planche pushups (the kind where your feet don't touch the ground), and planche pushups into 90 degree pushups, and none of the guys that are able to do them are real mass monsters.
gjohnson5 said:
My personal experience I stated is solid proof that bench pressing will help you increase pushups without ever even doing one. You don't need a scientific study for everything. Increasing pressing strength helps no matter how you look at it, whether it's with weighted pushups or a bench press it is essentially the same motion. No scientific study that could be performed would contradict that statement and I'm willing to bet 500,000 karma on that, and a splintered and spiked wooden log rammed up my ass.
If you took a 2 subjects that both had a 25 rep maximum and one did bench pressing, and the other did nothing for 8 weeks, the subject that did bench pressing is most definitely, undoubtedly, with 100% assurance going to increase the amount of reps on his push ups (most likely atleast doubling it) while the other kids would remain virtually the same. You think that's wrong? Then I'd kill myself if I was that stupid.
dabuffguy said:
Um...one did nothing? Well, duh!! How about one does just bench pressing, trying to increase his 1RM, and the other does just pushups trying to increase his endurance (max # reps)?
Who do you think will be doing more pushups in 8 weeks?
I'd put my money on the guy doing just pushups.
gjohnson5
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Even in this example it is not guaranteed that the person who weight trains will gain at push up reps. What if he trained at flat bench but gained 40lb in the 8 weeks due to not doing any cardio and having a horrible diet... So your saying while ignoring bodyweight , bodyfat percentage , years training, diet , the type of training, and any pre-existing physical condition , anyone will double thier push-ups just from benching for 8 weeks?
Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.
Dr Kavorkian apparently has another client.
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