Methoxy is a scam... same catagory as liquid creatine and ecdy. Thats why they either throw it with whey or add a zma formula to the caps. Try it alone, just methoxy..i garuntee your dis-satisfaction.
I tried nitrotech and gained 30lbs of muscle mass in 10 weeks...and my bench went up 75lbs...i'm sure it wasn't the sus i was taking with the protein though