my nightly rant

[Sculelos]

Ok, i follow. Should you however strive for leg-drive if you working out shoulders?
I totally believe in the larger benefit of full-body workout, such as standing..
However, I always feel like if people are doing arnold presses of sometimes even clean and presses if they push off with their legs they are cheating the motion and not working their shoulders as much. So does this then allow them to go for more reps (what about those wanting to get stronger), or should you just go with the natural flow of your body and get used to the full-body movement?
Am I making sense?..

The reason to do them standing is for core strength and balance, if you don't care about either of the above and just want to work out your upper body then go for it.

 

[araiber]

The reason to do them standing is for core strength and balance, if you don't care about either of the above and just want to work out your upper body then go for it.

Yes, i feel the same about the core work as well.
I guess my question is do you think that the limiting part on lifts (when striving for increasing strength) is the balancing/support muscles in the lifts, or the main muscles for the lift?
Again, im not talking about clean and snatching 200kg, its obviously a full body movement which requires a crapload of technique and balance.. However, in increasing strength (or getting your shoulders stronger, for whatever reason if they are lagging) should you still go for those full body movements, or should you try to "isolate" those muscles by using a minumum of the secondary and tertiary muscles that are targeted?

 

[muscelove]

well the limiting part is the balancing/support muscles. But its very wierd. Ok your body needs to stabilize the weight when youre pressing. But youre shoulders have the ability to press the weight. You know this because you can do it seated. Its not like youre falling over. so strange

 

[xblitz44x]

It really depends on your goals.

Standing barbell push presses are one of my favorite exercises. I truly believe that it has a direct carry-over to squats and deadlifts. Supporting weight over head demands such stabilization and balance. With that said, the benefits that your shoulders get from the exercise is only as good as your core allows.

If you can sit and press 80's for 5, but if you stand you can't hold them above your head without tipping over then your shoulders aren't benefiting as much as they could be. Your core is your weakness and it should be addressed. In that case you'd start out with 50's and work your way up to build that core. In the meantime continue to increase your seated weight so that your shoulders are handling the max weight possible.

Eventually your core will catch up with your shoulders and you'll be able to stand and press while benefiting both your core and shoulders.

Good luck to you.

 

[Klown]

I've been doing barbell presses standing, and occasionally dumbbell presses standing. I think standing db presses are a very underrated exercise.


There used to be a difference between my standing and seated weight, but after doing standing so much, my core has caught up and they are the same.