listen fhg43. Prohormones are ok. They will give you a little strength and maybe a couple of pounds however they come with side affects. I would not do the 5ad. If you have your heart set on them then just try a topical 4ad such as androsol by Biotest. I Hvae done quite a bit of prohormones in the past with little success however the only one I felt somewaht stronger on was the androsol. Also dont forget a lot if it is just the placebo affect. Like crumbcake was saying, you will probably get more side effects off of the prohormones then a small cycle of Oxandrolone. It is your money and your body, but from experience I have been taken several times with supps so I am telling you like it is. Try one bottle of 4-ad andrsol, if no results dont bother just continue to take the well known workers, creatine, glutamine and protein.