Lean Out Cycle for New Year-Prop Mast Var

[Power36]

Ok, looks like my blast to HRT got revised...originally was going to go NPP+Mast Prop+Test Prop and maybe Var or Tbol..

With help and clarification from a mod, going to think about doing this instead:

8 Weeks
Test Prop 100-150mg EOD
Mast Prop 100-200mg EOD
Var 60-80mg Daily

Im late 30s, been training HARD for 25 years, former Div 1 athlete, competitive powerlifter, MMA, etc. 5'10 248lbs 10-12% BF max, might even be a little lower.

3 years of HRT, 200mg week Test, and 21iu weekly of GH (now GH dose up to 15mg weekly).

Cycle history is only blasts of Primo, and Primo+Mast to HRT in moderate doses. A few times did a few weeks of winny oral, and tbol oral just to try them out but not cycles. And 5 weeks of low dose Tren during a Primo blast.

Goals, hit 8 weeks of "fast acting" stuff I can "feel" or see results quickly, as the Primo blasts at 400mg and Mast E 400mg I never felt or saw quick gains what so ever. Good slow and steady progress and only slight drop off after blasts. So this time around I want to see or feel a difference quick, hit it 8 weeks while I really focus on conditioning and movement workouts, stay same weight and body recomp a little, or drop weight. Then in summer will try something longer maybe Primo again but higher dose, and/or EQ.

Ill prob stay same on adex and hcg dose as my normal HRT.

 

[joeblow12345]

If your looking to recomp then nothing comes close to tren. Tren will literally melt the fat off you while bulking. So if your on a cutting diet then you could easily drop to the single digits in bf, and put on strength and muscle. Plus it's a lot cheaper then primo or var. I'd run the prop, mast, tren ace stack. If you want you can still throw on the var at the end.


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[Power36]

I hear everyone on here and its tempting...my only issues are this is a tough time at work yearly and tren with sleep issues, AND I am going to be focusing on less rest intervals, sprints, sled, versa climber, agility drills, strongman type conditioning, etc...and tren "kills cardio" according to the internet threads right? Im going to be hitting it hard 6 days a week lots of conditioning on top of basic olympic lifting...and working long hours at my job...worried with Tren it could "kill my cardio" and if it interferes with my sleep take my off my A game at work....I need all the energy and mojo I can muster for both work and balls to wall intervals 6 days a week..

Maybe Ill consider tren ace at 50mg EOD, just a tiny tiny ass bit most would say is useless huh?

Hope that makes sense...I want to have energy and be amped up and resting well

 

[dylangemelli]

there is no need for it if the sides are going to effect you in a way that is not conducive to your life and goals... it is always one of the best options in terms of the possibilities of gains but its not always the right fit for everything you have going on... for you, its fine just the way you have it...

 

[joeblow12345]

If cardio is a goal then tren is a no go. As far as sleep goes, I sleep like shit on it for the first week or so then I'm ok. I do get the night sweats from time to time but other then changing shirts during the night it's not unbearable. I'd just go with the cycle you have if conditioning is a primary goal.


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[masterkush81]

You should add tren if you can handle it? It will give you what your looking for in a shorter time frame! Its the most powerful AAS available.

 

[Power36]

thanks guys. Im sure tren can give me what I want hah...but maybe Ill do low dose tren and higher dose primo in summer when work life is more chill....and if sleep is jacked up not as big a deal...and yea, I backed away from conditioning and MMA for a few months, I want to work on it just for mental goal (since I hate conditioning and if I left myself up to my own vices would power clean and squat all day everyday), for heart health as I am getting older, and to prepare a base to jump back into some MMA training.

I did tren for 5 weeks at 300mg first two weeks, 225mg for last 3 weeks. Even in that short time frame I felt the beast strength kick on, but it sort of left nearly as quick too! Primo strength gains seem to stick around even when I am off the stuff, slower gains, but no drastic changes when I am off cycle. Ill be curious to see what T Prop+Mast Prop+Var "feels" like and results, and if they stick around after Im off. will be fun....always got plenty of time for Tren experiments hah...

 

[Power36]

Funny thing is I know how to recomp without any juice...but it seems so much more exciting and fun while on! hah....if I do not have abs I know its either because my conditioning is not getting taken care of (interval training, I never do "cardio") and/or I am eating too many carbs and processed foods. So yea when push comes to shove, even if I do not take Tren and take Test Prop and Mast Prop + Var and I do not lean out, its my fault! Not the anabolic selection!

 

[dbacik]

I can do cardio on tren. I can't push as hard as I could prior but again I am tying to get strong first. Conditioning on tren is like wearing a 50lb vest at all times. You just get used to it. I did find that ED injections made it easier to condition than EOD. The only drawback I have on Tren is the back pumps. They grind my conditioning to a halt. Shits terrible.

 

[Power36]

hahah...well I will save that for later then. I did do MMA while the 5 weeks of low dose Tren, sweated like a MFer...literally changing shirts twice per lift or MMA session... I want to focus on conditioning while maintaining strength (which is not too hard for me I am hardwired for strength and power and have such a long training age I do not lose it very easily). So maybe at some point Im not worried about conditioning I will hit Tren.

Besides the price and waiting forever, I do enjoy Primo. I really have not done any other "real" cycles so not much to compare it to, but I do like it. And since I am as big as Id ever want to be, certain roids Ill just never be tempted to try, dbol, anadrol, maybe not even deca, no need for high dose Test either as I worry about bloating or putting on weight...so maybe my options are limited and I will use Tren for short cycles in future, and long cycles with Primo and I have yet to try EQ but feel from reading it might be worth trying for my goals.

 

[dylangemelli]

halo is always something that is good for a fighter to take... there is much needed aggression that comes along with it but for your goals, the cycle layout is fine as it is...

 

[Power36]

Yea Halo down the road...Im excited to see how I feel on Test Prop, Mast Prop, and Var!