LBM, gain muscle with no fat... how?

[scruples]

I gotta try that CCJ, thanks.

As for the rest of you, I think you've just become too absorbed in this world of bodybuilding and such. Sounds to me like you guys think you can't make gains unless you eat that much protein. You're telling me everyone out there who looks really good, has nice bodies, doesn't let weight training dictate their life, still eats 200+ grams of protein, and 20x BW in calories? Hardly. Not a fuckin' chance. Sure, it may allow for quicker, more optimal gains, but in no way is it the only method of going about gaining muscle.

i rest my case.

just keep on believing whatever is most convenient to you at the time.

my guess is that you must be fairly intelligent based on your writing style/sentence structure. however, you continually prove to be an idiot based on the content of your posts. and i don't think many people would disagree with this assessment.

so,

SHUT UP

 

[DrBones]

I know your not looking for the Ronnie Coleman or professional body builder look, but more of the mens health look.
Do you really think those guys just go through their routine, come home, eat pop tarts and magically have these unbelievably chizzelled abs? Hell no! I mean, these guys probably have amazing genetics and such, but just because you train, does not make you have a nice body.
I know about 100 people who go work out, day in, day out, year after year, who see absolutely no results. Sure they may get a bit leaner... but their diet is usually so inconsistant and aweful, they always stay at square 1.
If this is wierd diet is REALLY what you want to do... Heres what I sugest...
-Go grab a digital camera, or a regular one for that matter.
-Take a handful of pictures and send them to me.
-I will host them for you on my web server
-Train with your diet the way it is
-Take new pictures in 6 months
-Send them to me
-Let everybody here critisize them

You will most likely put on a little bit of mass, because right now you are a boy, going through puberty and changin into a man... These gains are more the result of the fact your body is changing... not from hammering the weights...

You gotta try to be more respectful to the people on these boards man... everybody here has tried, time after time to help you. Sooner or later people are going to just stop responding..

So get your ass in gear and snap some pictures....
The proof is in the pudding

 

[b fold the truth]

If we can't give constructive criticism as well as take it...then I would rather this entire forum be closed.

We ALL come here to better ourselves and learn from each other...ALL of us. If you don't...then don't come here. That goes for everyone, including myself.

Lets remember why we are here and think to ourselves how OUR posts will affect others before we post it here. THINK!!!! Help others, don't put them down...EVER. If someone says something to you that you do not like, PM them and ask them to delete their post. Try to settle it through PM rather than on the board. Feelings easily get hurt, I know that mine do on here.

It is nice to be important but more important to be nice.

B True

 

[jeremys]

well said b

 

[JDarty6173]

Legion, If you feel your're right then do as Dr Bones said.. And lets look at your resutls in 6 months, then a year.. I promise you, there won't be much difference. You will never succeed until you learn that you "don't" know everyting, and that you're NOT always right.. If you're never going to listen to advice given when you post questions, then why do you bother even asking them? Seems as though you've already made up your mind...

Plain and simple, it is a given that you will NEVER gain muscle mass if you are in a caloric deficit.. Muscle CANNOT be built if there is not sufficient Protein to build and repair muscle tissue.. These simple LAWS may have well been written on stone tablets by God himself.. There is no way around them... Sorry bro

 

[coolcolj]

I don't think you need over 200grams of protein though. Especially for him at his lean body mass weight

I myself only take in 160 grams tops, maybe not even that, and I only weigh 198lbs now - lean body mass less than that.

As long as you get lots of fat in your diet all is well. Good fat that is , but some staturated fat doesn't hurt, I take my fair share of junk food

 

[JDarty6173]

LOL...Cool, speaking of Junk food... I just pollished of about a pound of the creamiest most delictable Cheesecake that has ever existed....mmmmmmmmmmmmmm With a combo of cherry and blackberry topping.... Fresh from the CheesCake Factory in Altlata.. God bless that place

 

[DrBones]

You know what you could do LK?
If you really dont want to put on fat and don't mind gaining wait at a slower rate..
Try eating like 200-300 calories over your BMR... Maybe just drink 1 or 2 more big glasses of milk everyday...
I'm not sure if you will see huge gains if any.. but its gotta be better than having a caloric defecit....
You don't have problems at least eating your BMR right?

 

[t3c]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

DUDE....eat and GROW

then cut down...people have told you this a million times!

 

[vinylgroover]

The kid doesn't want to be a bodybuilder or a powerlifter or for that matter use steroids. If you guys can't give constructive advice for those who have goals that don't necessarily desire 20 inch arms and a 400 pound squat then don't respond.

Legion, the gains will come slower, but they will come, and as you say you will look good year round.

Eat enough so that you are never 'feeling' hungry. Concentrate on heavy basic compound exercises without exception. Rows, deadlifts. Forget about cables, forget about concentration curls and the like. Work in a rep range of 4-8 and keep total sets for each bodypart between 7-12 depending on the size of each muscle group.

Do not work synergistic muscle groups in the same workout if you can help it. ie keep back and biceps apart, chest and shoulders apart etc.

What type of metabolism have you got. If it's ultra fast like mine, forget about cardio, other than a moderate walk every now and then for health maintenance.

Don't chop and change exercises too frequently...........but keep your core mass builders as the basis of each workout.

At the end of the day, there are no secrets, it's about consistency of effort and what you do in the gym will make you or break you. Keep everything real simple and basic