Karma inflation... How to fix it???

[Big Rick Rock]

1. It's just a game.

B. Some people play games to win.

III. Karma Bookie has played a significant role in inflation.

d. Mess with the formula or the totals too much and you'll have a revolt on your hands.

5. Once George put a dollar value on karma, your hands were tied. You can't take away, or devalue, something that you have sold to your customers.

wow... You are wrong about a couple of things...

1. Yes... Lets make it even more fun by raising the stakes a little.

B. No reason to play if you not trying to win.

III. WRONG... Creating NEW karma will cause inflation. The bookie forum DOES NOT create new Karma. The bookie forum only redistributes Karma... redistribution is not the problem it will not cause inflation, the amount of NEW Karma being created daily WILL.
The only time the bookie forum MIGHT even create new Karma is by putting the bookie int he red... And even then it is just a loan.

d. Oh well.... piss-off 10-20 people today to fix a flawed system that will be in place for years to come. We are not taking anything away from anybody or anything. We are just looking at making the system better, if you can't see that ... then ... I'm sorry ... but progress must continue.

5. I have NEVER suggested taking Karma away from anybody. Our plans are to INCREASE its value not lower it.






-BRR

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I agree, making the Karma store items more expensive would work wonders

LOL LOL you can't be serious LOL LOL I know we have some smart members here... The math is so simple even a HS kid should be able to figure it out...


Increasing the PRICE of the items in the Karma store will only DECREASE the value of your Karma since you would only be able to BUY LESS ITEMS for your Karma....


If I have 30,000 points, @ the current prices my Karma is worth 3 bombs...

If we raise the price of the bombs say to 15,000 per bomb... Now My 30,000 karma is only worth 2 bombs...


By reading the above.... How do you figure increasing the prices of the Karma store would do "wonders"... All it does is let you buy less for your K... thus DECREASING the VALUE of Karma... But you think that is a good idea? ... mmmk


SO....

You are AGAINST the slowing of the rate at which NEW karma is generated AND the lowering of prices in the Karma store... Both of which would INCREASE the VALUE of your current Karma...

But you are FOR increasing the price in the Karma store and allowing the system to continue snow balling people's K power to create 2-3 month millionares both of which would DECREASE the value of your current Karma....



Sometimes I just wonder if people like foreigngirl have their own brain or just decide to disagree with us because they think it cool or something...




-BRR

 

[blut wump]

With the current system, you can't sensibly keep prices ahead of the earnings of the big-earners without crippling it for everyone else. As such, FG's Karma would not be significantly diminished in any manner of significance.

This is the essence of the 'problem' of inflation. Eventually, either the poor cannot afford to buy air to breathe or purchases become truly trivial for some elite group.

 

[the-short-one]

i think my questions have been answered. BRR says it like it is.

So now that I know it's not a question of why, but how - we're pretty much back to (IMO) blut wump + redguru ideas. I still think it's the best way to handle the situation, now that I know a definite change is going to be made.

 

[eat big]

Is this a karma thread?

 

[foreigngirl]

LOL LOL you can't be serious LOL LOL I know we have some smart members here... The math is so simple even a HS kid should be able to figure it out...


Increasing the PRICE of the items in the Karma store will only DECREASE the value of your Karma since you would only be able to BUY LESS ITEMS for your Karma....


If I have 30,000 points, @ the current prices my Karma is worth 3 bombs...

If we raise the price of the bombs say to 15,000 per bomb... Now My 30,000 karma is only worth 2 bombs...


By reading the above.... How do you figure increasing the prices of the Karma store would do "wonders"... All it does is let you buy less for your K... thus DECREASING the VALUE of Karma... But you think that is a good idea? ... mmmk


SO....

You are AGAINST the slowing of the rate at which NEW karma is generated AND the lowering of prices in the Karma store... Both of which would INCREASE the VALUE of your current Karma...

But you are FOR increasing the price in the Karma store and allowing the system to continue snow balling people's K power to create 2-3 month millionares both of which would DECREASE the value of your current Karma....



Sometimes I just wonder if people like foreigngirl have their own brain or just decide to disagree with us because they think it cool or something...




-BRR

First I gotta say this - try not to be assuming if I or people like me have brains or not. Better ask me for the reason why I thought it was a good idea instead of mocking my intelect, mmkay?

Second - I though it was a ok idea because we would be giving the Karma Store more of our K by purchasing items that are more expensive. That way, out karma point and karma power are getting lower.

But if you think thats wrong, how about the other thing people suggested - being able to hit 1 person per hour?

 

[gotmilk]

Next time before you bitch about being overlooked for a project or Mod position... Please try to remember what kind of impression you give off in the threads that matter....
-BRR

Better ways to penalize people by subtracting karma...which is donated back to the bookie forum bookies..Like when you guys zapped Dunk.

Also, re-adjust the amount you can hit for. At one point, newbies were able to hit for more than I could hit after being around for 5 years. Part of the problem with the current high numbers is due to the amount people can hit for.

Start a user id with red karma hitting power of 10,000 points. That way you can zap people for minus 10,000 if they get out of control. Like an electronic dog collar for EF karma whores.

 

[the-short-one]

Better ways to penalize people by subtracting karma...which is donated back to the bookie forum bookies..Like when you guys zapped Dunk.

Also, re-adjust the amount you can hit for. At one point, newbies were able to hit for more than I could hit after being around for 5 years. Part of the problem with the current high numbers is due to the amount people can hit for.

Start a user id with red karma hitting power of 10,000 points. That way you can zap people for minus 10,000 if they get out of control. Like an electronic dog collar for EF karma whores.

I think that's fair.


and I like the visual.

 

[BrothaBill]

wow... You are wrong about a couple of things...

1. Yes... Lets make it even more fun by raising the stakes a little.

B. No reason to play if you not trying to win.

III. WRONG... Creating NEW karma will cause inflation. The bookie forum DOES NOT create new Karma. The bookie forum only redistributes Karma... redistribution is not the problem it will not cause inflation, the amount of NEW Karma being created daily WILL.
The only time the bookie forum MIGHT even create new Karma is by putting the bookie int he red... And even then it is just a loan.

d. Oh well.... piss-off 10-20 people today to fix a flawed system that will be in place for years to come. We are not taking anything away from anybody or anything. We are just looking at making the system better, if you can't see that ... then ... I'm sorry ... but progress must continue.

5. I have NEVER suggested taking Karma away from anybody. Our plans are to INCREASE its value not lower it.






-BRR

Ok, I still think you should hit the reset button and make everyone equal with a brand new system.
People making millions of karma during a period where its been flawed ruins the karma system.
Lets make the people equal, call it a brief period of karmic Marxism.

Then I think that you should limit the k hits available to 15 per day and for every crown you get, you get one less k hit per day.

So no crowns = 15 daily hits

One crown = 14 daily hits

two crowns = 13

three crowns = 12

And for those with 12 crowns they get only 3 karma hits per day. That means the heavy hitters cant hit each other and inflate their k totals.

THe smaller members with more hits can k whore a bit to try and catch up, it would allow lower k totals to build more and slow the high hitters from creating enormous amounts of karma into the system with only three or four hits available at the higher end

Itd have to be some graduated system of karma hit limitation based on how much k they have and over time the system would begin to right itself.

For instance, people with 12 crowns that hit for 3,000 per hit, instead of creating 45,000 k hits per day, will then only create 9000. While someone with 300 k hits and one crown can hit fifteen times and create 4200 k hits.

THe advantage still goes to the guy with 12 stars creating twice as much karma per day to spread

 

[blut wump]

I think that hitting is something to be encouraged rather than denied or further restricted. Members enjoy getting a hit. The more hits we receive, the merrier we all are.

I'd like to lose the current requirement of hitting X number of members before hitting the same member again. It's a real pain for those who hit infrequently to have to whore out their hits just so that they can give hits to posts they approve. They effectively have to give it to posts which they don't particularly approve of in order to give it to those they do approve of. This, for many infrequent hitters, cheapens the whole idea of approving a post. Please find something better, such as not being able to re-hit someone more than X number of times during a given time period.