I worked my chest and my back is sore!

[Mesofreaky]

you don't do it the whole movement dumbass.

 

[bignate73]

mesofreaky,
prove your point intelligently and people will listen. name calling only discredits what you have to say even more, regardless of if you are right or wrong. if youre wrong, bow out gracefully, if you are right....explain it correctly.

 

[Mesofreaky]

shut the hell up, I explained it correctly, if you don't believe me shut the hell up, this is the last thing I post in this shitty thread. I mean fuck man.

 

[Mesofreaky]

no wait you want a real logical easy to understand explanation. a muscle will allways try to pull in the same direction. no matter what the tricep is gonna try to extend the arm, no matter what the lats will try to pull the upper arm to a position beside the ribcage, this means no matter where the upper arm is if the lats flex they will try to bring the arm to this position. so tuck your elbows in real close, I mean touching the body, and on the bottom of your bench when you flex your lats they will try to bring your arm back to that position and when they do you will move the bar through the lower part of the movement.

 

[bignate73]

i see exactly what you are saying. shoulder protraction. but in that position, shoulder protraction is done by anterior delts, and pec major and minor, the lats are involved only slightly, but not to the degree you say, only for internal rotation, not in the actual press. rolling your shoulder forward is the degree of involvement, at which point, your shoulder should be retracted and fixed in place soooo......

thats why the lats arent ever listed as being involved in it. you should have stipulated slight involvement since they are not as important as you indicated. for those that bench with their shoulders retracted, high chest, even less involvement. only time i see someone recruit thier lats to such an extreme is with poor form when they over protract at the top of the movement when they over rotate the shoulder for that "extra" at the top. that movement is actually a means of training the pec minor directly.

as for getting back to the topic of this thread as to why the lats are sore; isometrically contracting hard and even contraction with a controlled release throughout a press is to blame.

 

[Mesofreaky]

with my form rolling the shoulders forward(internal rotation) is the brunt of the bottom of the movement couple that with a "slight" shoulder protraction and lats come into play big time for me. Now with a conventional form theres no way lats are gonna come into play all that much but with my form lats are only second to pecs on the bottom of the movement.

 

[Mesofreaky]

let me clarify how rolling my shoulders is the brunt of the bottom of the movement, its a technique called "back release" you stated my shoulders would be in a retracted and FIXED position when they are not fixed at all. the idea of back release is to arch the back keeping everything nice and tight and then all at once releasing that by taking the arch out of the back and rolling the shoulders forward. you can then regain your arch for more power if you wish, its more than tricky but it works, I guess I kind of neglected to realize that not everyone benches elbows in and that not everyone benching elbows in uses a back release.

 

[Godly1]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT? SSALEXSS HASN'T COMPLAINED ABOUT HIS LATS BEING SORE ANYMORE. MAYBE HE'S ALL BETTER NOW SO THIS THREAD CAN BE DROPPED.

i think we've all proven that we can be online doctors but the truth is, maybe all of us were right about why this dudes lats were sore, or maybe none of us were right.

mesofreaky, damn man, you hurt my feelings. guess i should go running home to mommy

 

[bignate73]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT? SSALEXSS HASN'T COMPLAINED ABOUT HIS LATS BEING SORE ANYMORE. MAYBE HE'S ALL BETTER NOW SO THIS THREAD CAN BE DROPPED.

FUCK! now MY lats hurt.....

 

[Mesofreaky]

Sorry godly, it just seems so simple to me. that I get a little fired up trying to exlpain it.