I worked my chest and my back is sore!

[bignate73]

I think that is why he mentioned the elbows in point. Many big benchers do it this way. The upper arm effectively comes down on top of the lat so that it acts like a spring. By flexing the lat at the bottom of the lift you can use they to get the bar moving. Unfotunately I dont understand all of the details of how the lats become involved, but I'm sure that one of guys on the powerlifting board will know.

ahhh. yeah that makes sense. those fahkers have some big lats...so i guess the old springboard effect could happen.

hehe.

 

[Mesofreaky]

you are so full of yourself, the lat is used that way. as a matter of fact I've had sore lats from doing deep dips, and thats no "springboard" effect and when I'm at the bottom of my bench I can flex my lats and magically the bar goes up. just cause you're some amateur physiologist who goes around and looks shit up on the internet doesn't make you all knowing. if you don't believe that they can be used on bench onsider this one of their documented and well documented functions is shoulder adduction know what other muscles are used in shoulder adduction try these

Pectoralis major (sternal head)

Pectoralis major (clavicular head)

Teres major

Coracobrachialis

Triceps brachii (long head)

well shit all three of the major muscles used on bench press just happen to do the same thing as lats. seems to me you just don't know all you think you know like the people who don't know why their hamstrings get sore when they squat cause they don't know its a hip flexor or in this case why lats get sore on bench cause they don't know its a shoulder adductor.

 

[bignate73]

hehe. wooow. you really are into gym science.

alright big guy...

here you go.

lats do what? eccentrically decelerate when the humerus is going through a press.

hamstrings do what?
move eccentrically on a pressing motion, ie squats. ( for your squat question)

this means...the muscle is contracting, but doing a negative essentially. isnt that why negatives hurt? thats why you feel it.

think about the motion. muscles all PULL. its just a matter of where they insert and originate. soooo.....lats originate in the thoracolumbar fascia (lower back for you) and insert on the inner portion of the humerus ( inner arm for you).

work with me on this one. think of those 2 points of having a rubber band between them, that rubber band is pulled taught. is there some way that the lats magically reverse the motion they are supposed to pull and actually push?

im not looking anything up online on elitefitness or any other bodybuilding sites. a) this is my job b) its science c) i can quote you references if you want.

dont take it personally. you backed what you said with personal experience and not science.

ps...oops. shoulder adduction is in the frontal plane. ie doing lateral raises straight to the side is abduction and bringing them down is adduction. flexion and extension is in the saggital plane....in front of you. so while you were looking up your actions of each muscle, i think you forgot your planes of movement and joint motions. so with that said...i dont see how your "lats" act concentrically to move your arms in TRANSVERSE adduction. maybe you could clarify......

 

[bignate73]

seems to me you just don't know all you think you know like the people who don't know why their hamstrings get sore when they squat cause they don't know its a hip flexor (or extensor...you decide since you are making up words) or in this case why lats get sore on bench cause they don't know its a shoulder adductor. youre actually right on this about lats being an adductor, but its irrelevent since shoulder adduction is no part of a bench press beyond a static contraction (at best)

i grow weary playing with you...


sincerely,

the "amateur physiologist" NSCA-CPT,NASM-CPT

 

[SSAlexSS]

hey SSAlexSS

i just browsed your post....but to me it sounds like it is just simply incorrect form. be sure you are not lifting too much weight that you loose the benefit of lifting all together. besides, you can really hurt yourself by lifting weight improperly. just lookin out for ya hope it helps!

thanks!

however I do lift more and more weight each week, thats part of the game... Bench used to be something that I couldnt gain on, now that is changing...

 

[Mesofreaky]

LMAO, aight ok everything you said was pure bull even your rubber band explanation supported my view move the arm to the back on you little rubber band model and it will stretch showing that the muscle can be used to push from the bottom of the lift. But I'll tell you what you go on thinking that the hams move eccentrically on squats and thats why they are sore when ever they are really fuctioning as hip flexors to cause the soreness and go on thinking that lats only have one function. it won't hurt me any if you live in ignorance.

 

[bignate73]

LMAO, aight ok everything you said was pure bull even your rubber band explanation supported my view move the arm to the back on you little rubber band model and it will stretch showing that the muscle can be used to push from the bottom of the lift. But I'll tell you what you go on thinking that the hams move eccentrically on squats and thats why they are sore when ever they are really fuctioning as hip flexors to cause the soreness and go on thinking that lats only have one function. it won't hurt me any if you live in ignorance.

you make yourself look stupid. the 5 other trainers i talked to today....laughed at your responses. 2 of which have masters degrees in exercise phys. hmmm....

do you truly understand the words you are saying? eccentric? flexor?

just to actually HELP you:
taken from exrx.net (since you think im so fond of internet research)
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Concentric

The contraction of a muscle resulting in its shortening.

Eccentric

The contraction of a muscle during its lengthening. (in a squat, the knee is extending, ie...the hamstrings are LENGTHENING. In a bench press....the lats are LENGTHENING.


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Hip
Flexion

Bending the joint resulting in a decrease of angle; moving the thigh or top of the pelvis forward.
Iliopsoas
Tensor fasciae latae
Rectus femoris
Sartorius
Adductor longus
Adductor brevis
Pectineus
-----------------------------------
Extension

Straightening the joint resulting in an increase of angle; moving the thigh or top of the pelvis backward.
Gluteus maximus
Semitendiunosus
Semimembranosus
Biceps femoris (long head)
Adductor magnus (ischial fibers)
-----------------------------------

Latissimus Dorsi

Origin

Ilium
Posterior Crest
Sacrum (Posterior)
Vertebral Column (Lateral Surface)
Lumbar Vetebrae (L1-5)
Thoracic Vetebrae (T7-12)
Ribs (Posterior)
Lower 3 or 4 ribs

Insertion

Humerus (Proximal Anterior/Medial)
Intertubercular Groove (Medial Side)

my rubber band analogy is wrong?

LOL!

i cant spell it out any more clearly for you, i think now you are just messing with me but whatever. read a book kiddo or give me some references and ill believe you and go back and tell all of the great "mistake" that the world is making with regards to muscle contraction theories since cross bridges found a way to push instead of pull.

bwaaaahahahahaha!

 

[Belial]

Bignate, don't bother. Not worth your time.

I realized this about a lot of the BS here a long time ago.

 

[bignate73]

i get fired up bro, because i dont like to see garbage perpetuated. ill tone back, maybe i need to take a break.

long day, had to give a presentation on core assessment. fun fun. ah well, thanks for the support bro.

 

[Godly1]

if you're flexing you're lats on a press then you are fighting yourself. there isn't a person on the face of this earth that would ever tell you to do bench presses to increase the size of your lats. and if there was then,,, well,,,, i would have to piss my pants from laughing so hard. Bignate knows what he's talking about.