How to get the most out of my current cycle...

[socalmx17]

Im on my 11th day now taking:

50mg QV Stan ED for 20 days
Standard ECA stack EOD for 20 days
1500mg Glucosamine , 1200mg Chondroitin , 250mg MSM (for joints with winny)
Liver Detox Pills (milk thistle)

Then:
Clomid 300/100/50 to finish.

Heres my stats:
6ft 1inch 171lbs (as of last night)
approx: 13.3% BF

My goal:
10% or below body fat
increased strength


, i think im going to extend it to 30 days winny tabs since i got some more. . I was thinking of adding some creatine ethyl ester (ALRI Cr2) to this cycle.

Then when im done with this i was thinking of running winny depot with eq as my first injectable cycle. What do you think about this? Thanks for all your help.

 

[muddog51]

not trying to flame, what is ur past cycle history? less than 3 week cycle? pointless......burning ur money away........comes to mind. your better off doing what you where talking about the end. Get ur eq, winny, togehter, i'd through some prop in there too with the eq and do a nice 1-12 weeks of eq 1-12 prop, 6-12 winny. Your pockets will thank you. Diet, train hard for ur 3weeks, then jump on a real cycle.

 

[tzan]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but at 6'1" 171lbs and 13%bf I can't see you having that much muscle on your frame. I think you can spare the use of the sauce for now and just diet right and lose the bf naturally. Then I would consider running a cycle to gain some lean muscle if thats what your after.

 

[boston basher]

I would have def suggested running the winny tabs for longer that 20 days, but forget about them and go right into the winny/eq stack, youll love it!

 

[socalmx17]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but at 6'1" 171lbs and 13%bf I can't see you having that much muscle on your frame. I think you can spare the use of the sauce for now and just diet right and lose the bf naturally. Then I would consider running a cycle to gain some lean muscle if thats what your after.

Well if you can see my picture im not huge but im not that weak either... like i said i want to get as cut as possible with some added strength. so far winny has been doing just that. ive been dieting for a while now trying to stay at about maintinence for cal intake with cardio days, but this fat is stubborn as hell.

 

[socalmx17]

not trying to flame, what is ur past cycle history? less than 3 week cycle? pointless......burning ur money away........comes to mind. Diet, train hard for ur 3weeks, then jump on a real cycle.

The only reason i decided to not go very long on winny is cause they are tabs i dont want to mess up my liver with the I7-AA's. Im going to inject next time so less worry there.

 

[Meat_head]

Why are you trying to cut anyway? Add some more mass then shred down IMO. Good Luck Anyway.

 

[socalmx17]

Why are you trying to cut anyway? Add some more mass then shred down IMO. Good Luck Anyway.

I thought it was better to try and cut the fat first then add mass. Ideally i would like to do both at the same time gradually than focus on one or the other. I used to weigh 200 lbs about 8 months ago (almost all fat mind you) and even though im sure ive lost muscle, i lost most of my fat. Ive been building up my strength since, and jus want to cut a lil more fat so i look more cut. Anyways thanks for the help.

 

[trinidad]

The only reason i decided to not go very long on winny is cause they are tabs i dont want to mess up my liver with the I7-AA's. Im going to inject next time so less worry there.

You gave us your stats but how old are you? As far as tabs being liver toxic, so is the winstrol depot. If what you're after isn't size, but strength I'd probably go with Anavar. It's also liver toxic but is supposed to be one of the milder 17-aas. I'm also a big fan of running test as a base with cyles so I'd consider something like this:
wks 1-8 test prop @ 100 ed or 150 eod. -very low water retention, acts quick
wks 1-8 anavar @ 50 mgs. ed - pricey but effective at increased strength and lean gains.

 

[socalmx17]

You gave us your stats but how old are you? As far as tabs being liver toxic, so is the winstrol depot. If what you're after isn't size, but strength I'd probably go with Anavar. It's also liver toxic but is supposed to be one of the milder 17-aas. I'm also a big fan of running test as a base with cyles so I'd consider something like this:
wks 1-8 test prop @ 100 ed or 150 eod. -very low water retention, acts quick
wks 1-8 anavar @ 50 mgs. ed - pricey but effective at increased strength and lean gains.

Im 19, i know most of you are saying im too young but i have friends that have been juicing since 16 years old with great results. Im done growing and before i do anything im going to research all that i can. I heard winny doesnt mess with growth plates anyways. Ive heard good things about var. price doesnt matter to me either id rather get good shit than cheap shit so whatever the cost may be.