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high protein or high carb when on DNP?

**Please note that I do not condone the use of DNP by any living human**** This excerpt is from the man himself, the guru of dnp.

This is what I’m proposing to be the optimal DNP diet (for a high dose short cycle(s) and the end of a low dose extended cycle only):

50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.

50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat. It’s not a misprint; carbs are essential for DNP to work properly. Keep in mind that it’s only the percentage that changes and not the total calories. From this point it will get a bit complicated, but read over it a few times and you will get the gist of it. I’ll also try to keep it as simple as possible.

When fatty acids are broken down they need to be fed into an energy cycle for a complete break down so that more can be broken down later. The beginning of this cycle is called the citric acid cycle. Fats enter the citric acid cycle as a 2-carbon molecule called acetate and to start off this cycle it needs to bind to another 2-carbon molecule called oxaloacetate. Without enough oxaloacetate this cycle cannot proceed. With little oxaloacetate this cycle is slowed down, thus fat burning is slowed down. Where does oxaloacetate come from? Several sources, but the main one is from pyruvate, the end product of the first step of glucose (carbohydrate) metabolism. Without enough glucose in the blood, fat burning becomes very inefficient.

This is not to say the more carbs we eat the more pyruvate we can generate, therefore the more fat is burned. We only need adequate levels of pyruvate to supply the citric acid cycle of the necessary starting material for fat to enter, and then it will eventually proceed to be completely oxidized in the electron transport chain.

Don’t worry about eating too many carbs while on DNP because these carbs cannot be stored and are immediately used for fuel to try to replenish cellular ATP. While keeping the calorie level at maintenance level, it would be most beneficial to eat about 55% calories from carbs, 35% protein and 10% fat (mostly unsaturated). It may be optimal for fat burning to raise the carbs a bit more, but the protein should be high enough so that muscle catabolism is kept at a minimum when DNP creates the huge calorie deficit in the body.

The least effective form of dieting while on a DNP cycle is a fat diet, or ketogenic diet, but the high amounts of fat helps to slow gastric emptying, so you feel more satisfied for a longer period of time. This is one reason why I first recommended the isocaloric diet to beginners who may have trouble controlling their appetite while on DNP.
 
It's important to realize from kronk's re-post that very little carbohydrate is in fact needed to generate oxaloacetate. Oxaloacetate is used in very high amounts in the TCA cycle(tricarboxylic acid cycle, Krebs cycle, citric acid cycle - different names for the same thing), but it's also REGENERATED to a very high amount. Oxaloacetate is only needed in catalytic, not bulk, amounts for the TCA cycle to proceed at a high rate.

I agree that carbs are needed, however, when one looks at all of the peripheral metabolism (which we can't really get into here)... suffice it to say that NO carbs on DNP will lower its effectiveness.

DNP is the F1 racecar of fat burning - very touchy, but it really gives'er when it's used correctly.

-M
 
using 25mg ephedrine + 200mg caffine 2-3x/day REALLY helps keep my energy levels up and is a HUGE help controlling my hunger when on DNP
 
Good point Dr M on minimal need of Oxaloacetate......
I stay away from carbs just to avoid the heat from the H+ lost through the ETC....the body needs its ATP, with little carbs, the body must get it from somewhere.....fat. The less carbs you eat, the less energy you get form them, thus the more you need, so you burn more fat.
 
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fats.

It's what I'd do, bottom line, better fat burning potential... made a few posts about this...

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fats.

It's what I'd do, bottom line, better fat burning potential... made a few posts about this...

C-ditty

Great minds post alike. :)
 
Citruscide said:


Yup. :) Living with "the man" for that long, you learn a lot. ;)

C-ditty

Hey you leave your "man living" to yourself broly, I dont want to hear it! :lmao:
 
kronk said:


Hey you leave your "man living" to yourself broly, I dont want to hear it! :lmao:


I guess we can all tell where KRONK'S mind is at this time of the day. ;)

C-ditty
 
Citruscide said:



I guess we can all tell where KRONK'S mind is at this time of the day. ;)

C-ditty

Yep, and its not on "man living" ROFL. End of thread hijack, back to topic...



























lol, I got the last word.
 
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