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Got Attacked Last Night

circusgirl

circusgirl

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I'm going to have to rethink my martial arts training...

I was walking back home frmo a bar last night in my goth girl gear and some asshole made a stupid comment. So I ignored hmi. A few yards on another asshole made another comment so Itold him to fuck off. His girlfriend then screamed in my face, I'd had enough, I screamed back at her to fuck off and said she was a fat ugly bitch.

She took a swing at me and punched me on the ear. THe fight lasted a few minutes, I swear, she couldn't feel any pain at all, I must';ve punched her in the head 10 times. SHe hit me a few times but wasn't much of a hitter so I wasn't bothered.

Unfortunately, all the stuff we learn in class about blocking, deflecting etc didn't work because I was too surprised/adrenalised/panicked to think. And because I spar so much, my automatic reactino was to spar back. If she had had the faintest idea how to really hurt someone, or had had a knife, I'd be dead by now.

SHe BIT me.On the arm. I am mmunised against hep B and have had a tetanus booster in the last year, and it's a big bruise, but still, what a BITCH.

I went to the police who brought me with them in their car and caught up with the two. Since there were no witnesses to who threw the first punch, the couldn't arrest them but the police were very sympathetic to me, they said they knew I was telling the truth (why would I attack a woman who had a big beefy bloke with her?). SO they droppde me off at the hospital.

I waited hours, got given some antibiotics. Jeez, there are LOTS of fights in the city on a saturday,blood everywhere, busted noser ten to a dozen.... drunk bastards pissing off the staff, people arguing in the waiting room... glad I don't work there.

I need to find some martialarts training that concentrates on street defense, as my sport-oreiented tkd wasn't much good. I know Muay Thai is sports-oriented, but it looks a bit more hardcore and realistic, would this be a good option? Or should I go for Jitsu? Ideas folks?
 
I don't think training has anything to do with it, its your mentality. I remember in high school, I got in a fight with someone with a black belt, and I kicked the shit out of him, I was so pissed off, and my "retard strength" kicked in. It sounds like you were scared because of her size, and the fact your attempt to hurt her had no effect. I believe that a person's mind and personality can be more important in winning a fight, than the person with the bigger muscles.
 
Most Martial Arts doesn't help much in street fights, despite what people think, unless the other person/people are totally crap. People have to be well trained and practiced to be effective in stressful situations, the mental aspect is huge.
 
Guess i´m lucky, noone ever wanted to fight me. Maybe i´m too intimidating, maybe i´m not a worthy target ;)

Nevertheless, people who had that problem and who talked about it said that any martial art/sport that included full contact training helped a bit to keep cool during stress situations.
 
The full-contact aspect of tkd helped, in that when she punched me, I didn't recoil in surprise, or run off and cry, I automatically went to punch her back. And the punch as such didn't shock me, as I'm used to that.

Unfortunately, as I didn't have time to react and think of my response, I did automatically what I do in training - hence I fought back with my fists. Now, thinking back, had I had more practice in using elbows, knees, and other "dirty fighting" techniques, I might have used those too.

So yes, my training did help, in that she found me a difficult opponent. Having said that, a drunken slugfest was what she was after. And I was lucky that that's all it was.

This makes me think that I need to take either an MA or some self-defense courses that are specifically geared towards facing someone in the street, and not towards fighting in the ring. If my automatic response was something a bit more effective, it might work better.

I now know I won't get an aggression response in me or time to think in such a situation (as when ther people confront me aggressively I am unable to be angry back, but I can fight), so my practiced response needs to be something more effective. Like deflection plus running.

And next time I wear platforms or heels, I will wear trainers to and from the bar/club, so I can run away quickly if there is a problem.
 
certain forms of martial arts are just for show or competition.
in a fight, I always go for the throat, eyes, nose and lastly the knees and elbow joints. I hate when people attack others for no reason. I wish that wouldnt happen
 
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Krav Maga. Look into it.
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The Doc's got the prescription. The problem is karate, boxing ect depend on keeping distance and throwing kicks and punches. real world the fight usually goes to grappeling. Krav Maga is the best but even jujitsu or judo will give you an advantage when the fight turns into grappeling.
MaGilicuti I agree with you. BUT If someone attacks you do you lay on the ground and get beat up or do you defend yourself? I have never started a fight, I don't like to hurt people. More than that though,I don't like myself or my family/loved ones to get hurt and will do whatever it takes to insure that the person who has forced this situation on me never does so again.
 
What style of MA are you studiing?
Most of the popular ones are utter shit, mostly used to sucker in soccer moms and 8 yrd olds.

And ROLGOR is semi right about boxing, but if you can throw a good, hard, fast and ACCURATE punch, the fight is 99% yours.

But you should always learn to low kicks(not high flying Van Dam kicks) if you throw a front snap kick to a person's knee(just under it actually), they will go down and then you can pummel them.
 
kung fu is awesome ive learned alot of that and i love it

pencration is also very awesome and it is street fighting,its that ultimate fighting stuff you see on tv,my buddy is the u.s and canadian champ for his age and he is a tough fucker,intimadating as hell and only my weight 170 at 5'9
 
MaGilicuti said:
fighting is stupid
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Not if you have to defend yourself or someone you love.

I spent years as a kid in worthless martial arts classes. I studied Pa kua chaun, so rim, wu shu, seven step praying mantis, and about a gazzilion other martial arts styles. The flowery movements and practice had little to no real world application.

What I learned:

Boxing, Muay Thai, and Jujitsu have the most to offer... hands down.

Krav maga and kajukenbo are really pretty much just high breds of the above three... and they are generally pretty good.

If I could pick only one - boxing.
 
What?
What the hell is wrong with people?


Circusgirl - If you should ever find yourself in such a situation again and I hope you don't. Don't start with a fist to the head your first clean shot to stun someone else is a straight blunt chop with the side of your hand/palm/pinkie - keep your hand and fingers straight and think HI-YA and your desired point of impact is the neck just below the jawline (think adam's apple).

It will make breathing difficult for them and buy you a bit of time.
 
TC2 your right. a good solid right to the jaw has ended many a fight before it got started.

Canadian Oak. Pencration sounds interesting. I never heard of it. I did a search but couldn't find anything. Any more info?
 
I am glad to hear you are alright. But i agree with you,martial arts are a thing of the past, after all, how many fights end up on the ground? 99%, so i would recommend looking in to some juijitsu-i dont know how it is spelled, but it is more likely to accomadate that type of situation. I have been to a couple classes and my friends go there also, it's worth looking into.

I guess this would be brazilian and/or gracie, not quite sure

good luck
 
Might I suggest you just keep walking and ignore people's idiotic comments. Short of that, a swift switch back kick into somebody's lower gut will put them down. Then run. What level have you reached and how long have you been training. If you're not getting real life self defence instruction, find another TKD school (or other MA) that does.
 
velvett said:
What?
What the hell is wrong with people?


Circusgirl - If you should ever find yourself in such a situation again and I hope you don't. Don't start with a fist to the head your first clean shot to stun someone else is a straight blunt chop with the side of your hand/palm/pinkie - keep your hand and fingers straight and think HI-YA and your desired point of impact is the neck just below the jawline (think adam's apple).

It will make breathing difficult for them and buy you a bit of time.
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:) Be still my foolish heart... :)

There's just something so fetching about a woman who knows how to take out an enemy's throat.
 
I thought all goths carried straight razors.....



But martial arts training does not help you at all unless:

#1 You are in complete control of yourself, you must be calm.

#2 You are NOT fighting a berzerker who is doing nothing but charging and swinging wildly. (or Biting)

I study a little bit for a couple of years during my teenage years, but I believe that to this day, the only thing I got out of classes was how to roll my body with my punches and put my entire weight behind them. Basically, I learned the best defense is a fast and effective offense.

And another rule of thumb is... if you are out numbered, Sucker Punches are completely legal.
 
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ROLGOR said:
TC2 your right. a good solid right to the jaw has ended many a fight before it got started.

Canadian Oak. Pencration sounds interesting. I never heard of it. I did a search but couldn't find anything. Any more info?
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Yeah, most people just don't realize, that the average person can't fight worth a shit, and most definetly can't take a direct punch from a trained fighter(any style).
 
PEOPLE, STOP FUCKIN TELLING PEOPLE TO CHOP OR PUNCH SOMEONE'S THROAT.

YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH POSSIBILITY OF KILLING THEM WITH THE LIGHTEST OF PUNCHES OR CHOPS.

I punched this hillbilly (who ran his mouth first) in the throat and the fucker almost died right there on the floor of the bar.(I didnt even hit him very hard either)

If you punch someone in the throat, their wind pipe can collapse or swell up and close off the airway, and they will die before anyone can help them.

Then instead of a simple assualt, you have a manslaughter.
 
you should either have a Taser or pepper spray. Fuck martial arts. With any of these two I could knock down Bruce Lee......
 
TC2 said:
PEOPLE, STOP FUCKIN TELLING PEOPLE TO CHOP OR PUNCH SOMEONE'S THROAT.

YOU HAVE A VERY HIGH POSSIBILITY OF KILLING THEM WITH THE LIGHTEST OF PUNCHES OR CHOPS.
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Uh... TC... if I punch someone in the throat it is my intention to kill them. What is your point?
 
SofaGeorge said:


Uh... TC... if I punch someone in the throat it is my intention to kill them. What is your point?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
 
velvett said:
What?
What the hell is wrong with people?


Circusgirl - If you should ever find yourself in such a situation again and I hope you don't. Don't start with a fist to the head your first clean shot to stun someone else is a straight blunt chop with the side of your hand/palm/pinkie - keep your hand and fingers straight and think HI-YA and your desired point of impact is the neck just below the jawline (think adam's apple).

It will make breathing difficult for them and buy you a bit of time.
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What Ms. V. said.

If you are worrying about Seriously hurting someone, then try a sharp kick to the inside of their knee. Or if you have hard sole shoes on, step on their instep with all your force. They will not be able to come after you on one leg.:angel:
 
SofaGeorge said:

If I could pick only one - boxing.
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I agree, unfortunately most cannot be counted on to fight "fair" on the street. So for me option one is to avoid walking alone from a bar (especially as a woman). Option two is to avoid confrontations with obvious idiots with nothing to lose.

After that, I'd box like hell.
 
TC2 -

While you are correct - you can kill someone that way - although there other ways to do damage on certain soft spots of the skull.

LET ME TELL YOU THIS.

It had been that particular move that bought me enough time to jump out of two story window to get out of room where two guys thought they'd play hide the pickle with me.

AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS.

If my choice was being raped by one to two men or accidently killing someone in self defense - what do you THINK I would do?



For some stupid girl to wanna pick a fight with another girl (oh that's really lady like) is bad enough as it is - actually the whole concept of fighting is lost on me - but I'll be damned if I wouldn't defend myself against someone or tell someone else how.
 
circusgirl said:
I was walking back home frmo a bar last night in my goth girl gear and some asshole made a stupid comment. So I ignored hmi. A few yards on another asshole made another comment so Itold him to fuck off.
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If it were easier for law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons this type of harrassment would be much less prevalent.
 
velvett said:
TC2 -

While you are correct - you can kill someone that way - although there other ways to do damage on certain soft spots of the skull.

LET ME TELL YOU THIS.

It had been that particular move that bought me enough time to jump out of two story window to get out of room where two guys thought they'd play hide the pickle with me.

AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS.

If my choice was being raped by one to two men or accidently killing someone in self defense - what do you THINK I would do?



In your case and in any dangerous situation(within reason), of course its your right to defend yourself anyway you can, that goes without saying.

You know exactly what I'm talking about, it is not nessary purposely to kill someone in a stupid bar fight.(again unless your life is being threatned)
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Velvett, hit, you should have killed those fuckers or chpped off their balls. i realise you probably wouldnt have a chance against them, but get a friend to track them down and hang them by the testicles.


I did wrestling in high school. My freshman year i was very intimidated and had no offense. However, when i wrestled in seior year i realized the best defense is a good offense. I became less intimidated and more aggresive as the season went on. I placed in the top 16 in my state for my weight class and i only had 1.5 years of experience. If i had not broke my arm freshman year while wrestling, i believe i would have been pretty damn good.

Most fights are close combat fights. A hit to the solar plexus, throat, nuts, or the back of the neck will seriously stun a victim. a blow to the back of the neck can knock them out instantly. Hit them in the same place where you would place the bar for a squat, maybe a little higher, but not much.

If it is your ass or theirs, dont hesitate to make it theirs.

I can deal with it if someone rags on me. But as soon as a word comes out their mouth about my brothers, friends, or my g/f (if i had one). Then i will be on their ass to beat the living shit out of them. If some guy was to hit my g/f then he had better watch his back for a loooong time cause i will do everything in my power to make his life a living hell. 99% of myn time would be going towards ways to destroy him mentally, physically, and socially.

Ross
 
if someone is being attacked, particularly a woman I recommend that they hit them in the throat and you can hit someone in the throat without killing them, Ive done it. Im military trained. These are people tryin g to harm you, do what you can to survive.
 
Thank you everyone for your supportive messages and advice.

There is no Krav Maga in my area, BUT there is a "martialarts academy" that seems to teach a lot of practically-oriented and "harder" arts - filipino, bjj, muay thai, wrestling etc. They are not in today but I will give them a call tomorrow.

I will continue doing tkd as it's fun but be under no illusions of it being anything but a sport and a hobby. I will look up doing more practically oriented defence courses/disciplines 2 nights a week, and leave tkd for the other 3 (lifting at lunch/morning - let's not forget that!).

I know an MA list where some LEOs post, I will ask them about courses I can do, there are courses, mostly paid for by the employers of police and door staff and security in clubs/bars, but no reason I can't pay up my money and take the same courses.

I am not interested in macho "winning the fight" - this I can do in the ring at tkd tournaments, or take up football (soccer) or something... I'm thinking of the poor kid (about 19 or so) who was being taken for emergency neurosurgery last night after a stab wound to the head. That could have been me, if I had either run into the wrong person, or someone had attacked me without any provocation at all (this has happened to several males I know, females don't get it as bad).

There is too much in my life I value not to heed the warning of last night and a) keep my mouth shut b) modify my training to try and make the playnig field less uphill against me...
 
Hi circusgirl,
only just read what happened to you now,glad to see that you are ok,good job it's impossible keep a good kerry woman down!

I practiced tkd myself for nearly 17 years and have a 3rd degree,I would however rate it as being very poor for self defense purposes.I bounce inside in a nite club in tralee myself and used to have to rely on kicking and punching to help me,i also did thai for 5 years and boxed for 6,but when it came down to just being able to last in a row it was a grappling situation more often than not,which luckily i took up back in 98 while i was in dublin.



I do a lot less standup these days but do a lot of bjj now,if you have access to one of these schools you should go to it.If your in a street fight your better off presuming that the person is going to be bigger and stronger than you.From bjj you get used to 'humping' opponents of all sizes around the place and you get used to handling the weight of a human body which is very important.

There are many pros and cons of grappling,the most obvious is that you don't want to be on the ground with anyone in a street fight but for one on one fighting it has served me extremely well.Grappling with full grown men constantly aswell will do your confidence the world of good.


I'm in a rush out the door now,
just pm me if you have any problems,again i'm glad to hear that you are ok after your ordeal.

best regards,
big.:)
 
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HighIntensity said:
mace people, nice an easy
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I have seen people sprayed with mace and it not even faze them. Plus, a lot of the so called mace on the market to the general public is very ineffective.
 
Sexual Mustard said:
Well there you have it: goth gear will do that. Don't wear goth.
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Oh really,y ou think it was my clothing that caused the attack? Well pardon me, but I was under the impression that it was a c. 160 pound 5ft4 woman who perpetrated and continued the attack.

I didn't see my dress coming at me with a fist, nor did my eyeshadow sneakily try a backhander to my ear.

Hopw the fuck dare you pass judgement on me and imply that I am at fault for being attacked because I am different, you ignorant shit-for-brains asshole? It's ignorant cunts like you that make the world a shitty place.

Always ready to kick someone when they're down and point the finger, I bet you were one of the people who walked straight past me and didn't bother calling the police last night, because if Iwas a "weirdo" obviously I "deserved" it.

Fuck you.
 
Shit, accientally sent SM positive instead of negative karma telling him off. It was supposed to be negative asshole!
 
The problem is not your TKD training at all..it is called adreniline stress response. Under adreniline, several things happen to EVERYBODY:

#1 shortened range of motion. So those power punches you were throwing, probably did not hit with anything close to full impact. In my school, this is why we train with exxagerated motions..to counter this effect of adreniline.

#2 Tunnel Vision. Unless you learn to scan, you will be hit a lot more, and will no have seen if her BF was walking up to your side to slam you down. Again, not your fault, blame adreniline.

#3 Selective hearing. This is why people get shot and swear they never heard the gunshot.

#4 The body takes blood from the extremities and brings it to the center mass of your body. This is good in the event you get cut, bad side is you tire very quickly. This is why you see bar fights where 2 guys punch each other for 30 seconds, then are sitting there panting for breath.

#5 Eye/hand coordination goes to hell. All those fancy pressure points and specific target punches are pretty useless. Use broad striking weapons such as your elbows or knees..it makes it harder to miss.

Your art isnt the issue..adreniline stress response is. My school teaches it as part of their self defence courses, utilizing "howlers" to get you upset and nervous, and adrenilized. Then you learn what attacks are useful and which are not under true adreniline situations. You use full power attacks against people in full "redman" body armor..so you can go to town. I have seen black belts in jujitsu, Krav Magna experts, JKD etc etc fall apart completely under adreniline stress, and actually question their years of training. Once you learn how your body reacts to adreniline, then you fine tune your art for adreniline stress resonse, and next time, the bit*h will go down.

Just check around for a school that teaches adreniline stress response..it is usually an 8 week course..and will be the best 8 weeks you ever spent
 
I forgot that your in the uk,if it's also reality based training your looking for,look up a guy called Geoff Thompson or someone who is connected to him.The only thing is that you may not like what he does.You'll find out plenty about him any of the british martial art magazines.I think his organisation is called the british combat association but I'm not sure.He is most definitely worth investigating,he does a lot of writing these days but still trains himself.


This is his website:
http://www.geoffthompson.com/

Despite the impression you might get of him,he is a very nice guy and very genuine.:)
 
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Ouch perhaps, but what he teaches is similar to ASR. Howlers SUCK! I am a big boy, and trained in the MA for 12+ years. I was SURE those "Howlers" werent going to get me nervous. LMAO..they had me shaking and adrenilized in no time flat. The personal interview before the classes has a lot to do with it. They ask a lot of very probing questions, and you should really answer honestly if you want to get the most of the course. They then use this against you to get you almost "reliving" these experiences..it is actually really hard on you, but it does get you to where you need to be. I have seen women who were vitctims of rape, having it almost reinacted against them, completely falling apart, curling into a fetal ball on the floor..completely submitting, and becoming a victim once again in the first class. By the last class, they are reacting agressivly, and actually will probably now have the tools to prevent themselves from becoming a victim again..which was something they didnt have before. Watching your other classmates go thru something like that, is hard as hell, yet seeing the changes in 8 weeks, is unbelievable. You almost want to cheer when you see the same woman who in class one curled into a fetal ball, now having to be pulled off the "redman" by 3 people because she completely snapped on the guy. You can see, if it was real life, that attacker would be pushing up daisies...which is where rapists belong IMO.
 
supernav said:
"Join a biker gang."

Very practical advice, everyone should do this. You tool.

"Here in la --- everyone is very smart."

LOL!

"European countries are more violent in nature where police presence is minimal at best."

Total bullshit.
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circusgirl said:
Thank you everyone for your supportive messages and advice.

There is too much in my life I value not to heed the warning of last night and a) keep my mouth shut b) modify my training to try and make the playnig field less uphill against me...
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You thanked others for advice, but you have given yourself the best advice. I think answer a is even better than b. Yes, you should be well trained in case of emergency, but it is more important to avoid confrontations like that with idiots who have nothing to lose. Like you said, too much value in your life.

I also might add you should watch your temper, it can get you into trouble. For example, you ask for advice on this board and when SM suggests it might be your garb, you freak out.

Take it in stride, lady!
 
Often the way you train can just be just as much of a problem as the style of training that you have. I studied TKD for years and we practiced with contact, but never the type of contact that was designed to inflict significant damage or take someone out of a fight. We only looked to score points. I changed my training to incorportate real life situations. Practiced without all of the TKD rules, incorporated throws, ground fighting, etc. and now I feel better able to handle myself in a real fighting situation.

I used to help out with the 4 hour "Women's self defense" classes that are offered at the local community college. (huge waste of time IMHO). I always encouraged the attendees to hit me with force when they were practicing techniques. Obviously they couldn't with every attack scenario, but if they were elbowing the solar plexius. They needed (IMO) to feel what it was like to strike, with the intent to due damage.

Zen
 
I do indeed have rather a temper.... I freaked out at SM because I get fed up with getting told it's my fault for dressing the way I do if get attacked or hassled. I got this shit from my parents for 18 years at home and I didn't even dress unusually, I just seemed to have a "kick me" sign stuck to my back.

It makes me very angry to be blamed for others' actions.

As it happens, they singled me out because of dress, BUT it was me telling her she was a fat ugly cow that gave her reason in her mind to proceed with the attack. Thing is, usually I do avoid answering back but it gets wearing after a while...

And maybe she'd have said something about my clothing even f I had been dressed normally, about the length/shortness of skirt, degree of low-cutness of tshirt, whatever.

Well, I guess once the theatre festival gets into full swing here in a few days no-one will look twice at unusually dressed people, unless it's to try to get a free ticket.
 
circusgirl said:

As it happens, they singled me out because of dress, BUT it was me telling her she was a fat ugly cow that gave her reason in her mind to proceed with the attack. Thing is, usually I do avoid answering back but it gets wearing after a while...
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You have a lot more balls than most men. I would not want to be one who pissed you off. I am sure that "fat ugly cow" will think twice before she criticizes another goth.
 
supernav said:

As well as countries that pride on being drunk and starting fights (Ireland).
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Nice stereo-type you got there.:rolleyes:

I'm not going to even bother arguing with you about it.
 
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