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I find it particularly interesting that those who claim not to use MDMA are the ones claiming to know so much about it. The only provable statement in the entire thread about MDMA is that the long term effects on humans are, as of yet, undocumented. The study generally cited (baboon correlation study) to suggest that there is so called irreversible damage to the brain is highly flawed. Firstly, the doses utilized were approximately 20-30 times the average recreational dose for a human. Secondly, one fifth of the baboons died immediately after their injection. Clearly, there is no evidence to support a biological correlation between humans and baboons, and the only interesting aspect of the study, to me, is wondering what a baboon on a heroic hit of MDMA acts like.

The allegations and reports of "thousands of deaths every year" is simply untrue, period. So far, there have been less than 80,000 visits to the hospital, and less than 10000 deaths even involving MDMA, ever. There is some data to support that MDMA is responsible for less than 1000 deaths by itself. Coke sends tens of thousands to the hopital yearly. Aspirin kills hundreds. Tylenol, several thousand. Supposedly MDMA is highly toxic, but there are two studies of humans who were heavy users that showed NO STATISTICAL DEVIANCE from a normal brain at all.

I used MDMA for twelve years straight. Huge doses in some cases. I did it every Friday and Saturday for over a year. When I added winny and other drugs I fired y liver, but my brain is still functioning fairly well. Add to this that I am (since childhood) a diagnosed schizophrenic/bipolar, with a very different brain pattern to begin with. MDMA has not exacerbated the problem at all. Not one little bit. In fact, I can say wholeheartedly that it did enhance my life in many ways.

You want to know what is causing the mishap rate to increase? The fact that it being manufactured in clandestine settings, with impurities, substitutes, and careless dealers piloting the market. Just like with GHB, the hospital visits started esactly after it was made illegal, by and large, with very very few exceptions. Even the DEA will admit that with both MDMA and GHB hospital visits, over half of them involve other drugs. With GHB, over ninety percent. Go figure.

MDMA is actually now being hailed by scientists as the KEY to reducing the tremors caused by PArkinson's disease. No medical value? MDMA has helped alcoholics recover, has a better than 3 to 1 ratio of relationship repair in a therapeutic setting as reported by psychiatrists who utilized it in their settings. For kids and ravers? I can tell you, not so. It is unfortunate that now it is popular among kids, and moreover, parents are not equipped with the knowledge to educate their children with, so the kids just hide the fact that they are using it, and eventually they wind up with a PMA pill and check themselves into a dirt nap.

At the end of the day, a better case can be made for MDMA use than for steroid use, from both a social and a psychological point of view. As with any powerful drug, education should be the rule, responsibility the hallmark, and moderation the practice.

Of course, I do not use any illegal drugs at this point whatsoever, but I am free to discuss the absurdities of our durrent laws, and it is in the spirit of intelligent discourse that I post this, not to encourage use of MDMA.
 
Fukkenshredded said:
You want to know what is causing the mishap rate to increase? The fact that it being manufactured in clandestine settings, with impurities, substitutes, and careless dealers piloting the market.

And thats the problem in a nutshell.

Still, I have not touched E.

Don't see why. GHB is all one really needs. :)

Fonz
 
Fuffenshredded- great post, thats what most peopel don't understand there are so many variables when it comes to testing something. The average person jsst trust our government when its motive almost all the time is money. And the one thing that pisses me off the most is how it is classified as a schedule I... How can they say it has NO medical purposes. I've seen plenty of shows where people who have relationship problems or getting over the death of a loved one take mdma by the orders of a therapist...We also have to remember that it would be less harmful to us if it truly was PURE MDMA... If they want to crack down on the distributuon of it they need to change the laws to go after the MAJOR players not the pushers. There will always be people willing to push X, your never going to get rid of those people, you have to make it so they can't get it.
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
RussianBro said:


sorry to correct you, but...
if you look at phsycological effects of extacy, you will clearly see that it causes chemical imbalance in brain... Yes, to regrow cells is possible, but to return to original chemical settings is almost impossible without drugs (antidepressants, etc...)

So, once again... X should be taken off the streets... Most users are teens and that is plain simple not right...

Just FYI:

IMMEDIATE EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
feelings of detachment
Vloss of drives such as hunger, sleep
muscle tension
blurred vision/rapid eye movements
sweating or chills
insomnia
tremors
hypertension
increase in heart rate
decrease in appetite
dehydration
nausea
fainting
death
LONG TERM EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
anorexia
high blood pressure
kidney failure
stroke
change in emotion
affects memory
change in brain chemicals

Recent studies on rats and monkeys indicate that Exctasy causes permanent brain damage in the areas critical to thought and memory and that it damages the neurons that use serotonin to communicate with other neurons. Users who develop an acne-like rash and continue to use Exctasy a re at increased risk of severe liver damage. Exctasy may alter motor skills, giving the user the appearance of suffering from Parkinson’s disease.
PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
confusion
depression
sleep problems
anxiety
paranoia
hallucinations
panic
psychotic episodes
confusion, depression, sleep problems
drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia - during and sometimes weeks after.

Exctasy use greatly increases blood pressure and heart rate. Body temperature can increase to 109 degrees if taken at a club or rave where there is physical exertion. Obvious physical effects include muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision, rapid eye movement, faintness, chills or sweating, extreme relaxation, and tremors. Use can result in heart failure or heat stroke.
ECSTASY, WHAT IS THE DOSAGE?

How interesting that we seem so ready to jump aboard these results that say how bad this drug is but take similar (negative) AAS study results with a grain of salt? Wonder if it's the same rats and monkeys who are already juiced up from the gear studies? Did they seem really agitated? my .02
 
smith2727 said:


How interesting that we seem so ready to jump aboard these results that say how bad this drug is but take similar (negative) AAS study results with a grain of salt? Wonder if it's the same rats and monkeys who are already juiced up from the gear studies? Did they seem really agitated? my .02

I'm sorry, but I was reviewing my posts and simply couldn't find any outlook of AAS studies with a "grain of salt."
It is interesting, however that "we" are so eager to jump to critisize someone's opinion and not have anything to counter offer...:rolleyes:

Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...
 
Anyhow, it's interesting how a "poor guy" became a "bad guy," then he became a "hero" at the end... Life goes on...

Russian Bro, did I miss something, no heros in this thread. While my opinion of 1mistake as a person has changed durning this thread, I still think that he fucked up. My opinion of MDMA has not, I think that people who use it recreationally are playing with fire for a number of reasons, legal issues among them. Fuckenshredded admitts that his liver is fried from years of MDMA abuse, yet he vehmently defends it, go figure? I do not believe that there is any moral issues involved in ones personal choice to use drugs, however providing these drugs to childern and teenagers is another issue all together. The trouble with drug addicted people is that they deny the addiction to themselves, as well as deny the possible consequences of their use. I feel that I have an additiction to anabolics, at the very least an insatiable desire to use them, so I take precautions, such as limiting alcohol consumption, proper nutrition and supplemention, various blood screens etc. Also I do not use anadrol, dianabol,halo or tren, nor do I mega dose. I also realize that there are possible negative consequences to my decesion to use anabolics, cost to benefit ratio. I may disagree with someone elses choice of drugs, but by no means do I feel that I have any right to pass judgement. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmass:gift: :gift: :gift:
 
Hahha its pretty amusing when someone defends a drug like X..........Take your bullshit drug blindfold off and quit the bullshit. I am here for anabolics not to hear about fucking X. Really I think threads shouldn't even be allowed on that shit right now. Any fed who reads the board has a TOTAL different outlook on X then Juice. If you don't beleive me then your sick.
 
Golfer18 said:
Hahha its pretty amusing when someone defends a drug like X..........Take your bullshit drug blindfold off and quit the bullshit. I am here for anabolics not to hear about fucking X. Really I think threads shouldn't even be allowed on that shit right now. Any fed who reads the board has a TOTAL different outlook on X then Juice. If you don't beleive me then your sick.

After I got arrested and refused to "be on their team",I was transported to a Federal holding jail-On the way there,while sitting in the backseat(handcuffed) The agents started talking to me and I asked them what they thought of X...and to my shock,they looked at each other and started laughing. They thought it was a joke it was a class I,and they said the DEA and FBI only care about the huge amounts of $$ dealers were making. What I did was illegal-and i deserve to see jail time...but not 6 yrs. At the time of the arrest,X was blowing up and the Govt. had no $$ control off of it-it was all Russian and Isreali crime groups...the Gov takes in more than half of the drugs in the US anyway...all they want is there cut.Anyone up the food chain knows what I'm talking about...

J
 
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