Ghrp-6????

[Jack steel]

I dont have time right now to read through the whole thread but here is my two cents with GHRP-6:

Run it at 100 mcg (saturation dose) per day 3 times a day - morning, pre workout, before bed. Run it for roughly 3 months, less than that gives you less than optimal results, more than that and your body starts getting too used to it. No need to take breaks - its a peptide, you can run it all the way through.

Inject sub-q in the lower stomach region - painless and effective. Yes, use Slin pins. To avoid insulin spikes, eat 20-40g of carbs 20 mins before injection. If you wait until afterwards, its too late and you'll get tired, dizzy, and lethargic. I threw together a video on injecting sub-q a while back when some people were asking about it, you can find it here: Liffalot's sub-q injection tutorial - YouTube (Yes, its geared for noobs.......bear with me)

Ok I've seen a lot of doses on here being called saturation doses. But I've read that's different for everyone depending on body weight. I believe it's 1mcg per kilogram of body weight. So not everyone is going to be at a Max of 100 mcg x 3 per day. I've heard this from 3 different people on another forum, but never on here. Anyone else heard this?

 

[Cwick]

Yea I read that some where too.

 

[liffalot]

Ok I've seen a lot of doses on here being called saturation doses. But I've read that's different for everyone depending on body weight. I believe it's 1mcg per kilogram of body weight. So not everyone is going to be at a Max of 100 mcg x 3 per day. I've heard this from 3 different people on another forum, but never on here. Anyone else heard this?

Yes, I've also heard that the saturation dose is 1 mcg for every 1 kg of bodyweight.

I also dont believe that. Saturation dose with pepetides should (in theory) not have anything to do with your bodyweight.

 

[Jack steel]

Yes, I've also heard that the saturation dose is 1 mcg for every 1 kg of bodyweight.

I also dont believe that. Saturation dose with pepetides should (in theory) not have anything to do with your bodyweight.

Ok. I believe you. So how long can I go just a little over 300 mcg Ed before building tolerance ya think?

 

[liffalot]

Ready......go:

150mcg 2x ED would do you good. start low and taper up.
If you are not looking to bulk then stay away from GHRP-6. Go for GHRp-2 or even Ipamorelin. I have heard from a few fellow BB'rs that Ipam doesnt affect glucose like GHRP-2 did for me (more later on that) But Ipam or GHRP-2 will NOT cause extreme hunger like GHRP-6 will. Its very likely that GHRP-2 or 6 will also put alot of water weight on you. This seems to be very common. It put a bunch on me.

I agree with Alin that running CJC 1295 w/o Dac (aka mod grf 1-29) Would dramatically increase your GH spike. However with this particular combination you can run into a problem....some people have an issue some never get it. This issue happens two ways.
1) the combination of the two can cause head pressure following injection and then subsiding shortly after.
2) same as above but no head pressure for the first few injects then it builds up and doesnt go away unless you discontinue use. Even then can take days to go away.

^^We do not know why this happens. I can tell you from experience that it isnt fun. Its not painful but its like a sinus headache and pressure in the brow, temple and behind the eyeball area. It gets freaky after a day or so of not going away. I had this reaction after day 2 of two pins each day 100mcg each of GHRP-2 and CJC 1295 w/o dac. I immediatley stopped and it took apx 4 days to subside completely.
Some get it....some never have an issue.
I went back to taking GHRP-2 alone. I can also take CJC alone without issue.


GLUCOSE and peptides:

When you inject a GHRP or Ipam ect....it sort of acts like a shot of slin in a way. Your glucose should drop at magic time. whats magic time?... Apx 30-35 min post injection you will get the full effect of your GH spike. the time varies for everyone. Monitoring my glucose before injection then every few minutes starting at about 20 minutes post injection was how I found out that it takes 35 minutes for me. You might get a little hypo feeling...or dizzy a touch. Just have some glucose tabs or whatever handy and pop two of them. The eat some complex carbs like oats at this point. I'd say 30-50 g.
But remember not to eat 30-60min pre injection. and not eat post injection til you get the insulin spike.

If you are like me then your glucose drops after the first few pins. Then...it stops dropping and actually goes up to like 120 at the 35min point when the GH spike happens. I dont know why this is. But if I were to up the dose even 25 mcg I would again get the glucose DROP for apx 2 injections then I revert back to my glucose spiking.

After 2-3 weeks of constantly monitoring glucose and getting a feel for what was happening and going through many many of those very expensive one touch glucose strips I figured I had it down so I backed off monitoring.
So now I have been on for 5 weeks and not monitoring for apx 3 weeks. I now feel a little dizzy now and then and have a slight tingling in my temple area. I decide to randomly check glucose again at a time when it should be its normal 88-90 (thats my normal) ....it was fucking 64!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Normally anything into the upper 70's I get light headed and can tell. Not now....I had been walking around for weeks with constant low glucose. So needless to say I immediatley stopped. Which sucked cause it was a definate crash from the energy and sleep and recovery it was giving me.
Took me apx 2 weeks to completely return to and feel normal. But continuing like this is a sure fire way to get type 2 diabetes. Dont believe me.....ask Radar who has type 2. Likely from peptide use.

This said I have just ordered some Ipamorelin and am about to start again. Ipam is not supposed to have alot of these issues....we shall see.

Hope my experiences help some of you.

This is exactly why I ate 40g of carbs 20 mins pre injection - does it mitigate your Insulin spike slightly? Probably, but thats not the point of taking GHRP anyway. I know you were saying otherwise, but given your problems here I'm not convinced thats the way to go.

If you eat 20 mins before, your glucose doesn't drop dramatically, you dont put your body through a fucking rollercoater of insulin and glucose trading, and you wont get diabetes.

 

[Jack steel]

A scoop of Karbolyn 10 minutes before injection seems like it would be beneficial. Don't you want an insulin spike with the gh stimulation??

 

[liffalot]

Ok. I believe you. So how long can I go just a little over 300 mcg Ed before building tolerance ya think?

I tested that actually and ran GHRP-6 until I stopped seeing results (but it was at 200 mcg ED) and it took me about 3 months.

As far as wanting the insulin spike, yes, it is beneficial to get an insulin spike, but like some people have said the results are inconclusive as to whether that leads to diabetes or not.

 

[gatemoney]

This thread is making my head hurt

 

[stevesmi]

gotta experiment with GHRP to find your right dose.. gotta play around with things and see what your rat reacts best to.

i think weight makes a difference, also some rats are more prone to insulin issues..

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i think weight makes a difference, also some rats are more prone to insulin issues..

^^^ I agree 1000%



Supposedly the carbs blunt the GH spike. Which would be counter productive obviously. But in my experience after 2 or 3 pins at a certain dose blood sugar actually stops dropping and spikes upwards, which I found very odd.
i'm anxiouos to see how much if any difference there is with the Ipam.