Deadlifting my way to Happiness - Al420's log

[FFQuads]

Questions to start off:
Do the following movements tell me where and when you feel pain in the shoulder:
1)Comb hair
2)Brush Teeth
3)Putting hand into back pants pocket
4)Using a screwdriver and motion
5)Lift heavy object with hand supinated, like a biceps curl
6)Pretend doing a tennis serve

Describe the pain:
1) Achey
2) Dull
3) Sharp

While sleeping you say the pain wakes you up on the affected side when you sleep on it. Does it also bother the same shoulder when you lay on your other side... that arm will have a tendancy to fall forward in that position.

You found a spot in the shoulder that is the source of pain. Push on it and do the biceps curl position carrying some sort of weight what happens?

What was the audible sound you heard:
1) Snap
2) Tear

Did it get hot afterwards?

Like the doctor told you.
If this is a level 1 or 2 sprain meaning partial tear you need to ice that area.
First 24 hours you should have iced 20 minutes every hour, and perform gentle movement.
Then ice the 2nd and 3rd day 3 times during the day for 20 minutes, performing gentle movements.
After 3rd day begin rehab with progressive resistance exercises.

If it is sharp pain it is way more serious and you need to see a doctor. More then likely it is a level 3 sprain which is a full tear (which I don't think you have a full tear if you can do the bicep curl with resisitance).

A little added info on minor muscle tears:
The main function of a muscle is to contract. In doing so it broadens. The other function is to elongate. From a therapeutic point of view, this movement appears less vital. Intramuscular scarring is apt to limit full broadening of a muscle. Treatment must therefore be directed chiefly to the maintenance of such mobility as allows full, painless contraction of a muscle. Whereas active exercises cannot fail to secure the fullest posible stretching of any muscle due to it being purely passive movement so far as the injured muscle is concerned. Ability to restore the full capacity to broaden is diminished when a muscle spasms a ridge part or is affected close to its bony attachment.

Now here is why I'm recommending massage down the road after we get through teh nitty gritty:
Normal movement of the uninjured part of damaged muscle can usually be obtained by immediate induction of local anesthesia through ice application at the site of lesion since the cessation of impulses arrisingfrom the damaged area allows muscle spasm at each side of it to abate for the time. The sooner this is done after a minor rupture , the better.
Deep massage given transversly (friction) imitates normal behavior and restores the mobility of the muscle toward broadening. It is therefore indicated in all recent muscular injuries and is begun the day after the ice therapy. After treatment, the area is put into the position that best fully relaxes the muscle and voluntary contractions are carried out. This ensures movement of the muscle without tension on the healing breach so as not to re-rupture uniting fibers, and so ensures healing with full mobility.

O.k. so this is part 1 of my posts....

Holy shit that's detailed!

 

[al420]

Questions to start off:
Do the following movements tell me where and when you feel pain in the shoulder:
1)Comb hair = achey
2)Brush Teeth = fine
3)Putting hand into back pants pocket = sharp - but not that bad
4)Using a screwdriver and motion = OK, if the screw were in front of me then no worries - If it were above me again no worries - if it were to my right (my left shoulder is the bad one) then a sharp pain (at chest level and above, if I reach below my nipps I'm good. So putting on my seatbelt is hard to reach back to get it but I can snap it in just fine.
5)Lift heavy object with hand supinated, like a biceps curl = achey
6)Pretend doing a tennis serve = hurts on follow through, sharp

Describe the pain:
1) Achey
2) Dull
3) Sharp

While sleeping you say the pain wakes you up on the affected side when you sleep on it. Does it also bother the same shoulder when you lay on your other side... that arm will have a tendancy to fall forward in that position.

That feels fine unless I agrevate it

You found a spot in the shoulder that is the source of pain. Push on it and do the biceps curl position carrying some sort of weight what happens?

Nothing - biceps curls or carring weight (I had a 25lb DB) while my bicep is contracted is fine. Overhead close grip pulldowns on the other hand are not bearable. This would be the sharpest. Anything overhead hurts - pressing or pulling.

What was the audible sound you heard:
1) Snap
2) Tear

No sound

Did it get hot afterwards?

No mam

Like the doctor told you.
If this is a level 1 or 2 sprain meaning partial tear you need to ice that area.
First 24 hours you should have iced 20 minutes every hour, and perform gentle movement.
Then ice the 2nd and 3rd day 3 times during the day for 20 minutes, performing gentle movements.
After 3rd day begin rehab with progressive resistance exercises.

If it is sharp pain it is way more serious and you need to see a doctor. More then likely it is a level 3 sprain which is a full tear (which I don't think you have a full tear if you can do the bicep curl with resisitance).

A little added info on minor muscle tears:
The main function of a muscle is to contract. In doing so it broadens. The other function is to elongate. From a therapeutic point of view, this movement appears less vital. Intramuscular scarring is apt to limit full broadening of a muscle. Treatment must therefore be directed chiefly to the maintenance of such mobility as allows full, painless contraction of a muscle. Whereas active exercises cannot fail to secure the fullest posible stretching of any muscle due to it being purely passive movement so far as the injured muscle is concerned. Ability to restore the full capacity to broaden is diminished when a muscle spasms a ridge part or is affected close to its bony attachment.

Now here is why I'm recommending massage down the road after we get through teh nitty gritty:
Normal movement of the uninjured part of damaged muscle can usually be obtained by immediate induction of local anesthesia through ice application at the site of lesion since the cessation of impulses arrisingfrom the damaged area allows muscle spasm at each side of it to abate for the time. The sooner this is done after a minor rupture , the better.
Deep massage given transversly (friction) imitates normal behavior and restores the mobility of the muscle toward broadening. It is therefore indicated in all recent muscular injuries and is begun the day after the ice therapy. After treatment, the area is put into the position that best fully relaxes the muscle and voluntary contractions are carried out. This ensures movement of the muscle without tension on the healing breach so as not to re-rupture uniting fibers, and so ensures healing with full mobility.

O.k. so this is part 1 of my posts....

That is just amazing. Wow! I appreciate your help and information treilin.

Pics will be PM'd in the AM. I look lopsided, and fat but that is a different story. I look lower on the left (hurt) side. Great.

So should I be icing it right now - I think I will. Also why did it stop hurting? I was taking deca - hurt it week before cycle then did 250mg a week for 10 weeks and it felt fine, now no more deca and the shoulder hurts again. I do think I re injured it but I wanted to make sure you had all the facts.

 

[treilin]

That is just amazing. Wow! I appreciate your help and information treilin.

Pics will be PM'd in the AM. I look lopsided, and fat but that is a different story. I look lower on the left (hurt) side. Great.

So should I be icing it right now - I think I will. Also why did it stop hurting? I was taking deca - hurt it week before cycle then did 250mg a week for 10 weeks and it felt fine, now no more deca and the shoulder hurts again. I do think I re injured it but I wanted to make sure you had all the facts.

O.k. we are narrowing muscles down now.
I got the pics... I have ran through your entire log
I will be able to dig deeper tonight and tommorow when I'm not at work and have all my books at my disposal.
Ohh and so you know and maybe feel better... your right shoulder was higher before this incident from AUG 31st

 

[The Shadow]

I told ya'll......Trel is the bomb

 

[*Bunny*]

payments for T's services can be made to my paypal account for upcoming show expenses for HER of course ... lol

allllllllllllllllll.. sup ?

 

[al420]

payments for T's services can be made to my paypal account for upcoming show expenses for HER of course ... lol

allllllllllllllllll.. sup ?

Cold Chillin'...literally. Ice on shoulder. Awating further instructions from Treilin

Paypal is not a problem. I just going to need all your passwords, etc.

 

[*Bunny*]

I just going to need all your passwords, etc.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

so your sig, whats great about custom capsule... sell me on it

 

[treilin]

O.k. so this is the information from your log that I am using plus part one of my questions if there is any additional anything let me know:

I am worried about my shoulder. I need to get an MRI I think but I am self employed so $500 to see something I may or may not even fix is daunting...especially this time of year w/ 4 kiddos (santa is a faggot and he gets way to much credit for my hard work).

What scares me is it hurts when I PULL overhead now...didn't do that before (it is the same shoulder, pain in the same area, etc, etc). So my plan will be to do Flat still but nothing overhead - no pressing or pulling - hell, I even have to be careful doing bicep stuff as it agrevates it at certain angles. I am going to get consistent on my rehab - ice 20 on / 20 off mixed w/ massive pressure to the area to start off and the max of Ibuprophen daily - doing RC work before and after all flat bench days - mashing on it hurts to the point of tears (see vagina comments below) and the ice is no better at first but I think it is needed. I just can't keep from wondering what I have done to the poor thing. Fast stuff like punching hurts like hell. When I box now pretty much just work kicks and knees b/c I can't throw a jab w/out pissing my pants.

Lower back is probably out of line or something. I need to see a Chiro - wonder how much it would be...need to find a decent one....maybe a oriental medicince style chiro w/ accupucture - I do love needles

I have started to feel a sensation (very very light) at the bottom of my squats in what feels like the tip of my tail bone (no it is not touching the ground unfortunatly) - any idea what this may be? It does not hurt, isn't making a noise or anything like that, just a new feeling....maybe I am growing a vagina...my numbers have gone down for 2 weeks now so it is possible.

My shoulder is not doing very good. It was fine then it started hurting when I slept and I let it be...should have been icing it this whole time...might lay off overhead stuff for a few weeks...fells fine when I bench where it kinda hurts when I do bicep stuff....not deads or rows but curls or other fluff work...shit, as long as I can squat dead and bench I am happy.

My hips are my issue - not sure what it is but they are always sore. This is why I did the leg press. It provides a great stretch on my hips and glutes

My back is getting dense from all this pulling, but it is looking a tad rounded so I am trying to add in some of the above in hopes of pulling my shoulders back a bit.

Squats felt really heavy today - really gotta watch my form and make sure I'm not leaning forward GM style

I have to keep active or my legs get really tight

I hurt my left shoulder doing close grips. I didn't press at all for 2.5 weeks - nothing overhead, nothing for chest - then I started back doing flat a couple times a week and doing BTN PP's once and Strict Standing the other - First couple pressing sessions I didn't do PP's and I have only done them 2x now so I was thinking maybe it was the lift

I am thinking the Push Presses re-twinged it last week

I have lost some range of motion

. Killed the deads despite my lower back asking me to quit - just anoter 4 minutes between lifts.

BTN Push Press:Bar x a lot, 65x5, 95x5, 115x5, 135x5, 135x5 - 1st experience w/ these - I deff lack some shoulder flexability and I can already see how this will help

My traps (especially the left trap) are wicked sore still from Saturday

How is the benching going with the shoulder issue?

It is totally fine benching and doing overhead work so I am blasting them. It only really hurts when I am laying down. They still hurt from Thursdays front squats - I am a baby


Man both my shoulders are killing me

it's a flexability thing. It prevents me from doing much real Oly lifitng.

My shoulders both feel bruised as shit today. I'm sure it like the busted blood vessels I used to get on my back/traps from back squatting

I think I have a new hobby

Sitting at my desk all day is not that fun

Thanks. I have full ROM but there are certain point where it twinges a tad. If I push any decent amount of weight it gets aggrevated.

"How long would you wait before you either pressed throught it or went to the doc." - How long has it been? Last Saturday - hurt it doing close grip presses . Still hurt? Yes - if I move it around a bit. ache? No tender to touch? Not really - although I can get "in there" w/ a finger and find the most accute point of pain - it is between the front and side delt . Any knots you can feel? Nope Can you feel it pull at insertions points? I think kinda - like if I try to stretch it there is pain, and If I press w/ it there is pain

and when I impenged (sp) my other shoulder I had no idea I shouldn;t be working through it and it eventually worked it self out.

I think stifflegs are harder on my lower back. I have serious hamstring flexibility issues so if I go very low I am toast

I am using ice and ibuprofen - per Dr. recomendation. Ice is 20 min on and 20 min off. I iced it last night and it felt great. It feels decent today. I think will be pressing next week

I hate even typing lat pulldowns, I hate doing them - pulling overhead is my weakest back movement and besides that they just don't seem to do anything.

There was some shoulder pain when I finished a set and I was using baby weights. I warmed up on a Hammer Strength machine and then went to the flat bench. Did 2 sets w/ 135 and hung it up. My elbows were as tucked as the lord will allow. I am not going to wreck my immediate lifting future to insure I get in every scheduled workout - even though it is really hard not to "push through it". So i ended up doing some Ab work and then 30 minutes ont he stair machine (one w/ rolling stairs, not the other one)

I did get a tad lucky as there was a Doc in the locker room when I was changing and he overheard me bitching about my shoulder. He told me to ice it 20 min on and 20 min off till it is better. Also said to stay away from any work that caused pain in the problem area (go figure).

My shoulder still feels weird and I didn't want to take any chances. The deads were tough at the end. My lumbar is wrecked from Mondays leg workout so I'm sure getting out of bed tomorrow will be interesting (hence the hammer low rows in place of my norm, BB rows). Once my lower back gets a little warm I am fine but initially it is a real bitch. I have to stretch the hell out of my lower back in between sets on DL's!

I think I will be ready to do some light pressing tomorrow - we will see. Keep your fingers crossed for me and the left shoulder!

I think my form is crap. My elbows flare out too much and I am working on it. I am trying to keep my shoulder blades together and am trying to keep my elbows in.

The pain is inbetween the front and side delt muscles on my left arm. I can pinpoint it w/ my finger. May be a tendon issue. I am not going to be pressing anything this week I bet - hoping I will be able to pull tomorrow so I can train my back.

Supposed to train Chest but my shoulder is hurting pretty good. I may tinker on a few hammer strenght machines just to see how I feel - if I can make it through a decent workout I will.

Fuck my shoulder hurts. Sleep last night was total dukie. Every time I turn over, which is frequent enough, I wake up. Not fun, but if this is as bad as it gets I will consider myself lucky. I'm keeping heat on it almost constantly. First shot is painless to date - did it Sunday AM. In the delt too (not the hurt one...but I'm sure the Deca will heal me quickly) - and I was concerned about 1.5CC shots in the delts, but that is where Al likes to shoot and it looks like I can have my way.

Only problem is I tore something in my left shoulder doing close grips yesterday. I feel like a retard but I think I was doing them w/ improper form on a rep or two and my shoulder F'd up. I iced it yesterday night and this morning for an hour. I have a thermacare heat wrap on it now. I am not sure how bad it is. I don't think it is much but I may only be able to train legs this week.

 

[FFQuads]

O.k. so this is the information from your log that I am using plus part one of my questions if there is any additional anything let me know:

I am worried about my shoulder. I need to get an MRI I think but I am self employed so $500 to see something I may or may not even fix is daunting...especially this time of year w/ 4 kiddos (santa is a faggot and he gets way to much credit for my hard work).

What scares me is it hurts when I PULL overhead now...didn't do that before (it is the same shoulder, pain in the same area, etc, etc). So my plan will be to do Flat still but nothing overhead - no pressing or pulling - hell, I even have to be careful doing bicep stuff as it agrevates it at certain angles. I am going to get consistent on my rehab - ice 20 on / 20 off mixed w/ massive pressure to the area to start off and the max of Ibuprophen daily - doing RC work before and after all flat bench days - mashing on it hurts to the point of tears (see vagina comments below) and the ice is no better at first but I think it is needed. I just can't keep from wondering what I have done to the poor thing. Fast stuff like punching hurts like hell. When I box now pretty much just work kicks and knees b/c I can't throw a jab w/out pissing my pants.

Lower back is probably out of line or something. I need to see a Chiro - wonder how much it would be...need to find a decent one....maybe a oriental medicince style chiro w/ accupucture - I do love needles

I have started to feel a sensation (very very light) at the bottom of my squats in what feels like the tip of my tail bone (no it is not touching the ground unfortunatly) - any idea what this may be? It does not hurt, isn't making a noise or anything like that, just a new feeling....maybe I am growing a vagina...my numbers have gone down for 2 weeks now so it is possible.

My shoulder is not doing very good. It was fine then it started hurting when I slept and I let it be...should have been icing it this whole time...might lay off overhead stuff for a few weeks...fells fine when I bench where it kinda hurts when I do bicep stuff....not deads or rows but curls or other fluff work...shit, as long as I can squat dead and bench I am happy.

My hips are my issue - not sure what it is but they are always sore. This is why I did the leg press. It provides a great stretch on my hips and glutes

My back is getting dense from all this pulling, but it is looking a tad rounded so I am trying to add in some of the above in hopes of pulling my shoulders back a bit.

Squats felt really heavy today - really gotta watch my form and make sure I'm not leaning forward GM style

I have to keep active or my legs get really tight

I hurt my left shoulder doing close grips. I didn't press at all for 2.5 weeks - nothing overhead, nothing for chest - then I started back doing flat a couple times a week and doing BTN PP's once and Strict Standing the other - First couple pressing sessions I didn't do PP's and I have only done them 2x now so I was thinking maybe it was the lift

I am thinking the Push Presses re-twinged it last week

I have lost some range of motion

. Killed the deads despite my lower back asking me to quit - just anoter 4 minutes between lifts.

BTN Push Press:Bar x a lot, 65x5, 95x5, 115x5, 135x5, 135x5 - 1st experience w/ these - I deff lack some shoulder flexability and I can already see how this will help

My traps (especially the left trap) are wicked sore still from Saturday

How is the benching going with the shoulder issue?

It is totally fine benching and doing overhead work so I am blasting them. It only really hurts when I am laying down. They still hurt from Thursdays front squats - I am a baby


Man both my shoulders are killing me

it's a flexability thing. It prevents me from doing much real Oly lifitng.

My shoulders both feel bruised as shit today. I'm sure it like the busted blood vessels I used to get on my back/traps from back squatting

I think I have a new hobby

Sitting at my desk all day is not that fun

Thanks. I have full ROM but there are certain point where it twinges a tad. If I push any decent amount of weight it gets aggrevated.

"How long would you wait before you either pressed throught it or went to the doc." - How long has it been? Last Saturday - hurt it doing close grip presses . Still hurt? Yes - if I move it around a bit. ache? No tender to touch? Not really - although I can get "in there" w/ a finger and find the most accute point of pain - it is between the front and side delt . Any knots you can feel? Nope Can you feel it pull at insertions points? I think kinda - like if I try to stretch it there is pain, and If I press w/ it there is pain

and when I impenged (sp) my other shoulder I had no idea I shouldn;t be working through it and it eventually worked it self out.

I think stifflegs are harder on my lower back. I have serious hamstring flexibility issues so if I go very low I am toast

I am using ice and ibuprofen - per Dr. recomendation. Ice is 20 min on and 20 min off. I iced it last night and it felt great. It feels decent today. I think will be pressing next week

I hate even typing lat pulldowns, I hate doing them - pulling overhead is my weakest back movement and besides that they just don't seem to do anything.

There was some shoulder pain when I finished a set and I was using baby weights. I warmed up on a Hammer Strength machine and then went to the flat bench. Did 2 sets w/ 135 and hung it up. My elbows were as tucked as the lord will allow. I am not going to wreck my immediate lifting future to insure I get in every scheduled workout - even though it is really hard not to "push through it". So i ended up doing some Ab work and then 30 minutes ont he stair machine (one w/ rolling stairs, not the other one)

I did get a tad lucky as there was a Doc in the locker room when I was changing and he overheard me bitching about my shoulder. He told me to ice it 20 min on and 20 min off till it is better. Also said to stay away from any work that caused pain in the problem area (go figure).

My shoulder still feels weird and I didn't want to take any chances. The deads were tough at the end. My lumbar is wrecked from Mondays leg workout so I'm sure getting out of bed tomorrow will be interesting (hence the hammer low rows in place of my norm, BB rows). Once my lower back gets a little warm I am fine but initially it is a real bitch. I have to stretch the hell out of my lower back in between sets on DL's!

I think I will be ready to do some light pressing tomorrow - we will see. Keep your fingers crossed for me and the left shoulder!

I think my form is crap. My elbows flare out too much and I am working on it. I am trying to keep my shoulder blades together and am trying to keep my elbows in.

The pain is inbetween the front and side delt muscles on my left arm. I can pinpoint it w/ my finger. May be a tendon issue. I am not going to be pressing anything this week I bet - hoping I will be able to pull tomorrow so I can train my back.

Supposed to train Chest but my shoulder is hurting pretty good. I may tinker on a few hammer strenght machines just to see how I feel - if I can make it through a decent workout I will.

Fuck my shoulder hurts. Sleep last night was total dukie. Every time I turn over, which is frequent enough, I wake up. Not fun, but if this is as bad as it gets I will consider myself lucky. I'm keeping heat on it almost constantly. First shot is painless to date - did it Sunday AM. In the delt too (not the hurt one...but I'm sure the Deca will heal me quickly) - and I was concerned about 1.5CC shots in the delts, but that is where Al likes to shoot and it looks like I can have my way.

Only problem is I tore something in my left shoulder doing close grips yesterday. I feel like a retard but I think I was doing them w/ improper form on a rep or two and my shoulder F'd up. I iced it yesterday night and this morning for an hour. I have a thermacare heat wrap on it now. I am not sure how bad it is. I don't think it is much but I may only be able to train legs this week.

You are so much help to Al420!! He needs it. He is a piece of shit and a great friend. K for you for helping the idiot....

 

[treilin]

O.k. so here is my first synposis:
I know the shoulder issue is next. but everything stems from the core of the body so I snagged the hips first. Shoulder will be next post.....

AUG 31st Pictures = right shoulder higher, cervical vertebrae even look out of whack
New DEC pictures = right shoulder still high, Left hip high, left erectors in back look tighter, Left knee high, shoulders rounded forward. All this means you have functional scoliosis. Curve in your spine due to the tight muscles on one side of the spine, and eccentric muscles on the other side of the spine.

From that I’m thinking you probably have achey pain between the shoulders and upper back. Usually pain is felt in the eccentric muscles which would actually be your right lower back side.

You did post that your lower back felt out of alignment. Well your left erectors look a lot tighter then your right in the pictures.

HIP REGION

O.k. so you have a lateral pelvic tilt left hip = high side, right hip = low side.
Have you or do you know of any leg length discrepancy?
Ie:
Fractures, deformities, lesions, unequal growth rate, or degeneration.

So on your left side these are all the muscles in a contracted strain pattern:
Quadratus lumborum (QL) , Thoracolumbar fascia, adducturs, and piriformis. 70% of your body weight will sway to that side. The piriformis will shorten to lock the femur into the acetabulum (hip socket). All hip abductors, especially gluteus medius , are elongated and weak. You will have compression at L4-L5 in your lumbar spine. Your SI joint will jam on this side, your ilium will rotate anteriorly, ITB shearing with rotation and restriction upon adduction.

On your right side the contracted muscles are: hip abductors, Tensor Fascia Latae (TFL), glute Max, Glute medius, glute minimus and Sartorius.
Eccentric muscles will be QL, thoracolumbar fascia, adductors, and piriformis, along with internal rotation of the femur, and pronation. Pronation may be more obvious on this side. Can get trochanteric bursitis on this side.

Are you left handed?

Knee pain will also be exhibited because of the increased Q angle.

You posted sensation at bottom of squats on your tail bone. With increased weight and not having your pelvis in alignment you are going to begin to feel all new sensations. When weight increases that’s when imbalances and prior injuries ALWAYS surface.

Sooo I can give you stretches and strengthening stuff to help get your hips back into more of an alignment if you want. It’s more of a sorta physical therapy sort of regimen, more so then adding on muscle. That will be the next post in the series…