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Body type & value of cardio vs heavy lifting

Sassy69

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I'm kinda confused & I may just be skipping over basic logic, however... the general suggestion for chix who want to lose some bf is to eat a clean diet & lift heavy. Every time I have eaten clean & lifted heavy, I end up looking like a power lifter. I am one of those people who can build muscle quickly, but also gain fat easily. For me, cardio has been the primary diff between turning into a "power lifter" or leaning out like a body builder. (Please note that when I refer to looking like a power lifter, I dont' mean literally starting to look like Hannibal or beign able to manage the 300 lb deadlifts, but mostly just NOT leaning out like a body builder.)

Basically my last trainer wouldn't let me do a lot of cardio in prep for a competition because he said I would be overtraining. My lifting was heavy & high speed (not millions of reps but short intervals between sets, etc.) and eating on the order of 2500 cal. And I ended up attempting to do a show at 12% bf (what a JOKE.). The show I did before that one & also the one I'm prepping for now, I'm doign on the order of an hour and 20 min of cardio / day (1 hr in the AM , 20 min after training) and I'm getting significant results after 2 weeks.

Why is this? Is the use of cardio to cut more valuable based on your body type? E.g. spatts is a seasoned competitive sprinter and lifts heavy & does some cardio. New has said the same thing. (heavy weights, lite cardio). I've been primarily lifting & doing non-cardio sports for a number of years. Its been demonstrated that I can't lean out w/o some serious cardio.

I'm just making observations and would like to understand the science behind this.... Any comments?
 
Thx spatts -- I'm trying to understand this so I can explain it better, and maybe I could've argued the point w/ my old trainer and avoided the last wasted year of being 20 lbs heavier than I've ever been.

PL -- noooooooooooooooooooooooo. (No offense Hannibal -- I would be in good company if that's the direction I chose... but I'm tired of being built like a brick shit house. )I know there's a hot hour glass figure w/ a 6-pack somewhere under this PL body. I wanna dig it out and keep it the rest of my life!
 
Sassy69 said:
(Please note that when I refer to looking like a power lifter, I dont' mean literally starting to look like Hannibal

YEAH...nobody would want to look like that :sick:

Spatts..dont get me started on your God given talents....powerlifting tryin to be a bodybuilder;)
 
Last pics I saw of you ready for a comp you looked ripped as hell!

Yea.. that was 18 months ago. Ugh. I've gotten tight, blew up , tried to get tight, blew up, blew up some more...and slowly getting back down. This is the challenge of competitive body building and just plain old staying in shape -- consistency in weight and everything else. THIS time I'mtaking 6 months to get down to comp shape and then stay within a couple % bf for "off season" and the rest of my life.

Now if I could just develop a hatred for ice cream.... ;)
 
WL - this is true, but I'm saying that I need to do it in order to get to a point where I can begin pre-comp prep. In other words, if I dont' regularly include some serious cardio in my regimen, I start gaining weight again. We're talking just maintenance. Even if not for comp -- its obvious to me that I need to include more than is usually suggested on here if I want to get some results. I lift like a mofo, so it ain't for lack of intensity in my lifts & I dont' sit around & gab between sets. In fact I have a cute little stop watch attached to my water bottle tote thing so I'm never w/o it. I rarely take more than 45 sec between my sets.
 
U mean diet wise -- I've been following the same type of diet for about 2 years -- 5-6 meals:

meal 1: 1/2 c oatmeal, either 1 scoop protein mix or egg whites
meal 2: 4-5 oz chicken, vegies, 3-4 oz sweet potatoe or brown rice
meal 3: 4-5 oz chicken or tuna, vegies
meal 4: 4-5 oz steak, vegies, maybe rice / sweet potatoe
meal 5: chicken, vegies
(meal 6: egg whites, vegies)

Pretty basic. Mix varies between 40/40/20 - 50/30/20.

I'm just saying in general that the only time I get serious results is when I throw in the AM cardio and on the order of 45-60 min day, 5 days/ week. Training is always 4-5 days / week and ALWAYS intense. If I dont' improve on either weight or reps, then I feel like a failure - so it rarely happens that I dont' improve something.
 
I have to start kickin the cardio in if i want to get lean for a show..cant really do it any other way..i try to get as lean as i can w/ out it and then use it at the end...i dont think you should start dieting for a show 12 weeks out doing cardio 5-6 days a week and eating clean....cycle it out..diet gets cleaner as you go..start kickin in the cardio as your show gets closer...i think it takes a few shows to find out what works for you...fine tune your diet..cardio needs etc...
 
I wish I could say I was "contest ready" going in at 12 weeks for prep -- however I'm 158 and maybe 20 % bf right now. I have some significant bf to drop - my goal is 140 & 12% by the end of March -- how realistic this is I will tell you at the end of March... But according to my trainer, this is roughly where I need to be in order to be ready for "pre comp". In order to achieve this pre-pre-comp state, I'm finding that clean diet & hard/heavy training is not doing it. I need to include a shit load of cardio to get some results.

I don't know if I'm stating any particular question -- just sort of an observation that is confusing to me & counter to what has been generally recommended. Is this a function of body type? I've always had the extra 10 -15 lbs, and the only time I've been able to approach a goal of getting lean & remaining there is by maintaining cardio -- and based on either laziness or trainer recommendation I"ve let the cardio drop in favor of spending my time lifting for the heavier weight goal. Then the bf comes back....
 
talk to spats about the way she manipulated her carbs while bulking - I think that was they key to her not gaining a bunch of fat. I am very intersted in this as I am also one of those whose body loves to carry an extra 15# of fat...
 
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