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Bench Press Shirts Shot Down by Ted Arcidi

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Found this article on the web written by Ted Arcidi

article written by: Ted Arcidi
Originally, when the supportive bench press shirts came on the market, their intended purpose was not to enhance performance but to aid lifters who were working out with an ailing rotator cuff or other shoulder problems. In fact, back in the mid 1980's the original prototype supportive bench press shirt was 50% polyester and 50% cotton and only one layer thick. It was more like a sweater and not at all like the laminated four or five layers thick armor suit that many powerlifters use today. I wore the poly-cotton variety when I officially benched 705 lbs on March 3, 1985, at the Budweiser World REcord Breaker in Honolulu. The sole purpose of wearing the shirt was to keep my shoulders warm.
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Not only that, but I was able to put the thing on by myself. It didn't take a pair of handlers to stuff me into a supportive bench shirt that was so tight, it might have been painted on. There were no bleeding hands or body bruises either. It was truely and purely me against the darned bar! Nevertheless, I could kick myself for wearing it when I benched the 705 lbs world-record fourth attempt. The reason was simple: That 705 would still be the raw world record in my weight class today; it went up like butter cake!
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The supportive bench press shirts worn by today's powerlifters cause them to look like Frankenstein's monster, with their shoulders and arms extended as if they were sleep walking. The shirts are nothing more than gimmicks for enhacing performance, and the number of outrageous bench press records being set today - especially in the heavy and super-heavy divisions - prove it. I even popped a 725 lbs world record with only three months of training back in 1991. The marks today are nearly 100 lbs above my 1985 record!
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If you have any lingering doubts that the bench shirt enhaces performance, consider the following: First, there is Chris Confessore, who's supposedly benching in the mid-700's at a bodyweight of around 220 lbs. Right! I'd be willing to bet that he can't bench in the high 500's raw!
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Then there's that fat boy, Anthony Clark, the one that looks like as if he swallowed a dirigible! Clark is somewhat shorter than I am (5'8 vs. 5'11) but outweighs my 290 by 50 or 60 lbs! He benched tremendous weights while wearing a double-lateral, quadruplayer rubberized denim and polyester slingshot shirt. If Anthony weighed 260 lbs, as he should, propotionetly, he'd be able to bench dick without a shirt! Even at 375 he still can't bench 700 with a regular grip!
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It's powerlifters like the two mentioned above who claim to have the strongest bench press. Yet their poundages on assistance exercises aren't in line with their supposed biggest bench presses. Some of those 700 lbs bench pressers, like Craig Tokarski - although he's a nice guy - can use only 225 on exercises like behind-the-neck presses and triceps nose breakers. DAWG! I was using those kinds of poudages on my assistance exercises back in college, when I weighed 220 lbs as a powerlifting purist and I wasn't even near a 700 bench yet...
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Back in 1985, when I did bench more than 700 lbs I was doing 395 for three in the behind-the-neck presses and 375 lbs for five or six on the nose breakers. Just recently, I ended a bench cycle by doing 600 lbs without a shirt, and the poundage I used on behind-the-neck presses was 340 for a big triple, without any herky-jerky movement.
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An example of true, undiluted strength occurred when I benched 650 lbs in Maryland in November '83. I weighed a mere 275 lbs and did the lift without the aid of any supportive bench shirt. At the time John Buckley computed the Schwartz formula ranking for the top lifters in the 11 weight classes (114 through Superheavyweight), and according to his stats, my Schwartz rating was 398.8. That indentified me pound for pound as the number-one bench presser of all time...
No one - and I mean - no one - has bench pressed more than I have, according to the Schwartz formula, without a bench press shirt! Ken Lain, the Abilene Giant, did 660 lbs in 1988 on his 3rd attempt, but I know in my heart that without a shirt he would have likely been good for only 610.
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Back in 1992, when I was recuperating from extensive elbow surgeries, I began to realize how phony most of the bench press records were. At that time, however, I had to sit on my hands, so to speak, and just watch. The thought did cross my mind that there would come a day when the powers that be in powerlifting would allow the use of hydraulic-assisted bench shirts with adjutable-out-put controls. What a farce!!!
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Now, you may be wondering why I'm raging so much about this subject. What's the difference, you may ask, between benching with a shirt and benching without one?
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To begin with, there's a major visual difference in the thickness of the muscles and tendons when you press without a shirt as opposed to results of pressing with the aid. The muscles are thicker, which translates into raw strength. Because I don't use a shirt, my tendons are very thick and have a lot of tensile strength. My ligaments are tight, and I have better joint capacity and balance than do most powerlifters who rely on bench shirts.
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Many powerlifters I know even do their training reps while wearing a bench shirt! It's very easy to see who's training without such aids and who's the strongest of all the 700-plus-pound bench pressers!
It feels good (if it felt any better, it would be obscene) to be in a midst of a comeback. My plan is to reclaim the bench press title - RAW, so to speak. In my opinion the bench press is the greatest upper-body movement around. Through my comeback I hope to spark an interest in promoting raw bench press contests. That can't help but return the sport of powerlifting to being a contest of true strength.
No bench shirts, no slingshot suits or armor, no gimmicks - just real muscle! In it's purest form benching is truley man against the bar, with the best - and not the best dressed - lifter winning...

here is the website if anyone needs proof, there are some other articles there too on tendon strength also.

http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Rapids/4365/bpshirts.htm
 
This is a clear case of jealousy. If he was mad about bench shirts why does he insult Anthony Clark calling him a fat boy? And what the fuck is a "double-lateral, quadruplayer rubberized denim and polyester slingshot shirt". What a pud! So many people get beat and come back with how the other people cheated. Sore losers always have a pocketful of excuses. He was using a bench shirt way back when all the other lifters were not. He was the cheater. He wore his to keep his shoulders warm?? Ya, so do I! You sore LOSER!
 
Personally I dont think Ted has a leg to stand on, in any sport, and I mean ANY sport, there is equipment, the better your equipment the better equipped you are to do well. And like POwfit said, ok you want to make a point make it, but when you start putting people down then your the one with issues, its funny to because Anthony Clark is like this God loving church going religious man and here Ted is dissin him. Damn shame.

Like you said, strictly jealousy
 
I just want to say it's funny when one fat guy calls another fat guy fat. Haha


He does seem a lil jealous. Why doesn't he just compete with the hardcore bench shirts of today since he is such a superior bencher he will obviosly get 800+. Give me a break. Does he even lift anymore?
 
wel ted arcidid is a strong motherfucker,but to each his own....
i know he's known for his heavy behind the neck presses and he did hit some big benches but i also see no need to call AC fat boy and all that shit.the freakin shirts are not magic,you still gotta push the damn weight.he doesn't want to compete against people that use shirts..FINE...DON'T COMPETE.shirts are here to stay wonder if he even competes anymore??????:confused: :mad: :alien: :bawling: and he says he wore a shirt to keep his shoulders warm...hmmmmm...NOT!!!!
 
All of this 'support equipment' in powerlifing is way overdone. Why should bench shirts be allowed if they give a lifter a 15 - 35 percent advantage (rough estimate of course)? Why not just bench in a t-shirt? If one cannot lift the weight without a bench shirt than too bad! Powerlifters ought to lift like the olympic lifters do - only a weight belt and knee bands/wraps. All of this crap with a double/triple ply suit and having the knees wrapped 8 - 10 times is not fooling anyone! I do have a lot of resepct for powerlifters. I think however the equipment is making everything a joke. It seems like the equipment makers call the shots. If they pulled out of the sport (if the rules got strict and were against all of the equipment) then what would happen? Scary isn't it? I am however leaning a lot more toward olympic lifting. The only real things that differentiate one lifter from another in olympic lifting is technique and heart, NOT equipment! Equipment should not be the big deciding fator that it currently is in powerlifting. Ted soes get a little personal in his article. THere is no need to blast people like he does. They are/were competign in the same environmnet the Ted does. It is his chioce under the rules to pick and choose what equipment he does or does not want to use. He seems off base with respect to those type of comments.
 
I'm still learning, but from what I know isn't it safer to pause a heavier weight with a shirt on than to pause a lighter weight raw? Also, posts like that won't go over to well with the seasoned lifters. Like he said, shirts are here to stay, if you don't like em, compete in the raw meets.
 
15-35% is a very rough estimate. The average is 10%. Some people work better than others with the shirts and people that use double layer tend to get a little more also. About 50% of the meets across the country allow only single ply garment and almost all the rest allow up to a double layer garment. The "raw" meets are a very tiny minority. We are all playing on a level playing field. If you think you are stronger than me... PUT ON A FUCKING BENCH SHIRT AND PROVE IT! They are not magic. This crying crap is a way for weak undedicated lifters to take away from the lifters that are better than them. You don't here an idiot track runner saying,"Lets see who is faster without the fancy track shoes! Lets run raw". The imaginary armored, rubberized, quadplayer that this moron is referring to is just stupid. He has no case so he goes to making up shit. Everybody knows that it is safer to bench with a shirt than without one and it makes the meet more fun. The only people that are anti-bench shirt are people who suck using them, are weak and looking for an excuse, or are trying to pump the "raw" agenda for some reason. If you don't like powerlifting... become a bodybuilder or something. Just stop the whinning.
 
Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Fortuneately we are all entitled to disagree if we want to. That's the fun in all this people can say what they want even if it makes them look like a complete ass.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Flex -- Where would the sport be w/o th equipment manufacturers?? Dead, just like olympic lifting. Who do you think sponsors meets, lifters, world teams?? Olympic lifting is even dying overseas where it once flourished as a sport. In most countries, powerlifting is becoming more popular if it isn't already.

I can gaurantee you that a dbl ply squat suit doesn nothing more for performance than a single ply suit. I have used both and actually prefer a single ply suit. The only advantage you have to a single ply suit is that a dbl is les apt to blowout. It sounds like you have never really competed in a power meet, maybe you should withhold judgement until you have. AS far ted -- well I remember that article and most lifters thought he acted like a whiny jackass. The sport has progressed, maybe ted hasn't, but the sport has. Yes, you get more with a dbl denim shirt, btu don't for a minute think a rank amatuer can put one ofthose shirts on a get 100lbs. It takes practice and lots of it. Powerlifting is not necessarily about who can lift the most, but about who can put up the biggest number under the given rules.
 
I respect your opinion PowFit and you make a very good point with the track shoes analogy.

How many lifters out of thousands upon thousands of attempts are injured when doing a max bench press without a bench shirt? Probably well less than one percent. My point is where does it stop? Powerlifting is one of the few (yes I know pole vaulters use special poles, track athletes use special shoes etc...). sports that goes to the extreme with all the equipment. I thought that powerlifteing was a sport of extreme strength and toughness (rhetorical question)? Well imagine in the sport of arm wrestling if some guy said 'PUT ON YOUR FUCKING ARMWRESTLING SUIT AND SEE IF YOU CAN PIN ME!!!' He would be laughed out of the room! I just think that it should be 'your chest' pushing the weight up. 'Your rotators' stabilizing 'your shoulder girdle'. If you really need a bench shirt and your argument is for it to prevent injury, then I can sort of see that rationale although supporting evidence is weak. If we need bench shirts then why not bench on a Smith Machine (Greg Kovacs style) too? That would help prevent injury and futher level the playing field as every lifter would move the bar in a straight up motion. As far as demanding sports go, if I had the genetics and 'anabolic help' I would do Olympic Style lifting day in and day out. Olympic Lifters (the world class ones) train harder and more frequent than powerlifters. Check out a training hall tape from Ironmind where 200lb Ivan Chakarov (Bulgarian lifter) does a triple with a 600lb squat with NO belt, NO knee wraps and NO spotter and does not use a squat rack! He goes so deep his butt is only 6 or so inches off the floor. The bar is as high on his traps as it can possibly go further reducing his leverage and taking his lower back out of the movement and his stance is only shoulder width. This squat is also performed at the end of his second workout that day and he works out 6 and 7 days a week!!! His PR in the squat in that same style in 770 lbs!!! Try that for intensity and 'raw' strength! I do the olympic style lifts occasionally myself and I train each bodypart once every 3 to 5 days since that is what I need to recover. Please, I am illustrating a point here, not putting down powerlifters as individuals.
 
That is why people need to say what organization they lift under when they give a total. If you lift in the USPF and compete at the national level, you can only where single ply suits (squat or bench) and they do the equipment checks. I have gone to some of the new federations' and associations' national meets and people lift like there are no rules (and definetly no equipment checks). I once saw Mike Ruggeria at the IPA Nationals (who I came down with to help) pull a 790 deadlift, never lock it out, and was never given a down signal and he still got all 3 whites. What is the point of going to a meet if the rules and not strict and the equipment is not held with in check. It is just like lifting in the gym, except now you get your name in PLUSA. I have seen many lifters in the warm up room miss 365 with out a shirt and then put on a 3-5 layer canvas and hit over 500! And now if you lift with a single poly you are placed in the same category as people who have kevlar stitched into their suit. I think that powerlifting is going in the wrong direction when poeple are not doing most of their lifting but their shirt is. I think that a new federation is going to be formed that will get away from the shirts and all the gear. Where the only thing you can where is a belt. No wraps, No shirts, No suits...Then we will see who are the real lifters and who are the 700 pound benchers. The only one that I know of without a shirt is James Henderson. I thought the whole point of going to a meet is to see what can be done by YOU in a strict lifting environment--IT is supposed to be a test to see if your lifting can compare to those who have been lifting in that organization and to see if you can beat their records if everything else remains the same. For example, Kaz's bench of 661 without a shirt was beat by Henderson. The best way to see if somebody is as really as strong as they say they are is be comparing their deadlift to the rest of their lifts. THAT IS THE ONLY LIFT YOU CAN'T CHEAT ON, UNLESS SOME FEDERATIONS START ALLOWING WRISTSTRAPS!

strongestsurvive
 
strongestsurvive- I agree. Everybody should look at each lift and what the situation was around it. Some federations are known for being very strict about everything (gear, drugs, form) and some anything goes. I have seen some squats on video that were at least 8 inches high and got passed because the promoter wants the big lifts done in his meet. You can't really compare lifts if you don't have all the information. I remember findingmout that a high school meet that was put on buy some kids and judged by kids got their numbers in the top 100 list. There is a huge difference meet to meet. I have no problem with people using advanced supplements or advanced bench shirts as long as they compete with lifters following the same guidelines. To each there own.

That article sucks. I really hate it when people put others down to put them selves up. Things like that put a wedge between lifters and holds the sport back. A new lifter is going to read that and think it holds some truth. If I thought some putz was wearing a "double-lateral, quadruplayer rubberized denim and polyester slingshot shirt" I would think it was cheating too. I am sure the person would not assume that is a bunch of BS coming from the imagination of Ted Arcidi. It would turn me away from powerlifting all together. I would come to that conclusion because I thought Ted Arcidi was a reliable source of unbiased information which he is far from that. Powerlifting is a sport of personal challenges. It always has been. If you don't like shirts, then kick ass without one. I will be cheering you on. Just don't cry because others are using them.

1-dawg - I agree with you too. bodybuilding would not be near what it has been if it was not for supplements. Its industry made it what it is. Our industry is lifting equipment. Promoters get support all the time from these companies. Lifters are also getting sponsored by equipment companies. You think there would be powerlifting magazines if there were not equipment companies advertising? Without equipment powerlifting would be less than 1/4 its size right now. Powerlifting is bigger than it ever has been. It is not just the industry doing that, but it is helping.

If you know about all the politics you would know that the IPF was sued and not allowed to come in the USA. Because of an equipment company taking care of the HUGE lawsuit (something like $350,000) the IPF will be able to host meets and World Championships in the USA for the first time in about 15 years. I don't lift IPF, but 1000s do.
 
Bench shirts

Why do we enter a bench press contest? To bench as much as possible.

Why do we train our asses off? To bench as much as possible.

Why do I wear a double layer denim bench shirt? Because that is what is allowed where I lift . . . Oh, yeah, and also for the same reason that I train hard and go to Bench Contests . . . TO BENCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!

If you want to brag about your raw bench go ahead. But don't bitch about what someone else is doing with a shirt on. Either put on a shirt just like the one he used and blow him away with your superior raw strength or shut up!
 
I completely agree with Natural Mike on the issue. If you can't lift it without the shirt, it shouldn't count in a meet or otherwise, no more than it would count if someone is pushing my elbows when the weight starts getting too heavy.
That's all I wanted to say.
 
Arcidi was the man in the 80's and I have a great deal of respect for him but to slam his competitors like he's in the WWF is pretty immature. I also recall Arcidi getting green lights for non-locked out benches because he supposedly couldn't lock out his elbows due to injury. Was that fair to his fellow lifters?
 
wow!!! That guys pretty much a dick!!! I personally don't see the point of bench shirts, but to shit on other guys for using them is pretty fucking pointless. I smell a whining vagina. As I said though, I'll agree with him to the extent that I think bench shirts don't just add support to the joints, there's a "legitimate" aid being performed by these shirts. I don't like that concept, not raggin on those that do, but I'd rather lift a big weight and get off the bench knowing that weight was lifted with my own raw muscle power.
 
It is good to hear that some people want to lift the weights "with their own real muscle power," Powerlifting started to find out who is the strongest for a given weight class. The equipment came into play to protect from injury. Once a piece of equipment started to help with the lifts, back in the old days they banned it...Look what happened to elbow raps. I think that people are relying on the equipment too much. I went back home to watch a bench meet the other week and I was talking to one of the 242ers and he was telling me he was going to go over 600. In the warm up room he missed 440, with me giving him a lift off. The guy wasn't even close and later that day he hit 605 with a tripple denim shirt with kevlar stitched into the seams. Now for me at least I don't put this guys lift anywhere near Don Rheinholdt's 606 bench with out a shirt, but now because the guy hit the weight in a meet, he will get his name in PLUSA and can go around bragging that he can bench as much as Don Rheinholdt. I think that is Big Don was there he would laugh and a lot of the old time powerlifters today think that the meets are a joke. Kaz was at the world cup a few years back and said with the shirts they have today he would have benched over 850 (661 with out a shirt).

strongestsurvive
 
ted

waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!

Sad to see a grown man cry. Just do your own thing man, don't cut other people down or single them out. If it is allowed by the federation you can't blame them for using it.

-buff
 
another thought

If it is truely a battle of man vs. bar then do it natural right?
Because if not then it is really man + drugs vs. the bar.

Sounds kind of hypocritical to me.
 
The funny thing is that this Ted Putz was using one himself. He was using one when bench shirt were not as popular as they are now and all the other lifters were not using them. So who was cheating? It is a level playing field now and that why he is old news.
 
I agree you should do it natural, I was using Kaz as a reference for the bench with out a shirt. A better example is Mike Hall, benched 600 pounds without a shirt, NATURAL.

strongestsurvive
 
YOU USED KAZ AS AN EXAMPLE OF A "NATURAL" LIFTER??? I hope to god you are talking about unequipped lifter and not a natural lifter. He is far from natural. Glen Chabbot is going to be breaking Kaz's unequipped record this Dec 2nd anyway.

I think it is funny that steroid users are going to say people using bench shirts are cheating. WTF? Which one gives you more of an advantage?? Steroids obviously. Why throw stones if you are not a "natural" lifter yourself? I am not anti-drugs or anti-bench shirts. I am anti-whinning. I could care less what the hell people do as long as they are putting on a good show. I train with lots of powerlifters that are stong a shit without a shirt on. I am looking at a 500 pound bench at 181 wearing a shirt. Do you really think a typical lifter can beat me if I take it off? I might get 10 pounds out of it or I might get 75.. Who cares? That is the challange. To do the best you can in this sport under the given rules. If drugs and bench shirts are allowed you better use both, if you plan on being competative. If you are not competative with these people... don't tell me why... don't make excuses.. train harder and train smarter. If you do not like these rules there are federations that will work for you. You can compete with the drug-free unequipped folks. Good luck.
 
I have no idea who powfit is but he understands the essence of what powerlifting is today. It is absolutely not the same sport is was back in the 70's, 80's etc. The game has changed -- either change with it or be left behind with the dinosaurs. The fed's that allow single ply poly are dwindling and will continue to do so. All sports change with time -- swimming for example. Now they are wearing these suits which improve their time. I know just about nothing about swimming as a sport, but I thought it was great. I am sure the swimmers that are wearing the suits are not complaining. And I gaurantee they don't try adn bite the hands that are feeding them -- equipment companies. Without the Inzers, Crains, Titans, Frantz etc powerlifting would be stuck as a dungeon sport. Now, with these guys, supplement manufacturs, the WPO powerlifting is moving forward. WHy? Because people want to see freaky weights being lifted, not someone benching 400lbs raw and drug free. Even some of the competitors at the August WPO meet that nromally only lift in the USAPL came out loaded for bear with equipment, and the ones that didn't felt like they took a knofe to a gunfight. Even the great Eddie Coan came out wearing dbl ply suits and a denim bench shirt.
 
Powerfit,
If you read my respone above I was refering to KAZ's bench as a bench without a shirt, not a natural lifter. Somebody then made a reference about a natural lifter, so I used Mike Hall's bench of 600 without a shirt. Just take the time to read the responses before you resond.

Thanks,

Strongestsurvive
 
OK. Here is my plan: I will take D-bol, Anadrol 50 and T-200 continuously until I have DD cup size breasts (hopefully my chest will increase by 8-10 inches). Then I will not wear a bench shirt so my breasts will stick out and up when I am on the bench. I will only have to lower the bar 2/3 of the way now than before I had breasts. This will undoubtedly give me a strength advantage due the increased leverage I will have (the bar will travel less distance). It will add at least another 25 percent to my max. Anyone like my idea? I mean how far can one go?

I hope the sport of Armwrestling doesn't go in the direction of Powerlifting! Imagine in Armwrestling if they stopped all matches that went over 5 seconds - wouldn't want anyone to get injured would we? We'd better get a special 'sleve' for armwrestlers to wear - wouldn't want their arms to get 'cold' while waiting for their next match. Better yet why don't we make everyone use a strap from the very beginning - wouldn't want someone with a larger hand to have an advantage over their opponent! Better yet, why don't we start a new thread? Everyone here has made good points and kept everything moving forward. You can't sell to a salesman (nobody's buying). There are too many salesmen on this board (including me).
 
Maybe there should be separate classes at a meet - a class for those who need to wear the "shirt" and a class those that do not. Sure, it makes a meet more complicated to run but that would eliminate the whining :bawling:. Personally, I think it has no place in a meet.
 
why can't Powerlifting be sponsored by barbell companies and shoe manufacturers. why does it have to be sponsored by something that destroys the sport. also if the drive to make powerlifting an olympic event succeeds don't think for a second they'll be able to wear more than a belt and a singlet like the weightlifters and the singlets will be colesly regulated.
 
I could really care less if powerlifting makes it into the olympics. I will tell you exactly why barbell comanies and shoe companies really can't do much sponsoring of powerlifting. How often do you need to replace a new bar or plates -- about once every 10 years at most for the plates, bars -- maybe 2 years depending on the quality of the bars. IF youa re talking about nike, reebok etc -- that my friend will never happen. Powerlifting is a way too small and unprofitable for these guys to put anything into it. Gear companies on the other hand can and should. I know plentyof guys who buy a new squat suit for every meet, or at least 1 per year. the same goes for bench shirts. These are the guys who also sponsor lifters, meets etc. WHy people bite the hands that feed their sport I will never understand.
 
Ultimate Raw Federation

I have a wonderful idea for a new raw organization. It will be the ultimatew test of man vs. bar. The organization will be called BALA or boring ass lifting association. The rules are as follows:

Squats must be performed with no equipment at all, not even a belt. And certainly nothing as supportive as knee wraps or a suit. I would hate to prevent any injuries or add 5 lbs to someone's squat! Also all squats must be done to the floor. Anyone caught squatting and not reaching the legal depth of their butt hitting the floor will be disqualified from competing any further in the competition. This includes second and third attempts.

Bench must be performed with no equipment, not even wrist wraps or a belt. You must also bring the bar down to your neck, none of this penny ante arching either. The bar must remain on the neck for one full minute timed by a stop watch, so there is noworry of touch and go records being set.

Deadlifts must be performed with the weights in a trench so that the olympic bar is setting just high enough off of the ground to get your fingers under the bar for lifting. No belts or any other supportive gear allowed.

General rules include lifetime drug free. If anyone ever accuses you of having done any performance enhancing drugs, or taking in any more than 50 grams of protein per day, will be banned from the organization for life. Additionally since we are only concerned about what a person can do naturally, we will also ban anyone accused of training for the events.

We only want people to show up and do the event, no training is allowed!!! There will be a constant vigil kept by all BALA officials to make sure that none of these rules are broken, and that for God's sake none of the lifters ever improve their lifts or set a new record, as those are sacred and can never be broken .
 
I like most of your ideas for lifting, it is about time it is man vs. bar. In my last bench meet I did in March I hit 550 raw and jsut missed 570. No shirt, No belt, No writst wraps, but I did train my ass off for it for about 3 weeks before the meet.

strongestsurvive
 
Good for you, but you know what, no one cares about what you lifted in or out of a shirt. AMOF, no one hardly remembers what anyone does at a meet with the exception of the lifters. If yo don't care for the equipment, then don't wear it, but by all means, do not try adn rip into the lifters that also bust their asses and out bench you by a couple hundred pounds wearing a shirt. 550 is good with or without a shirt, period -- be happy with what you got instead of trying to demean others for lifting in what is allowed.
 
Well the bottom line is this. If everyone else is wearing a shirt, I sure as hell am going to as well. Im not going to be beaten by a guy wearing a shirt just because I thought it was stupid to wear one and that I didnt lift the weight raw. Who fucking cares??? If you want to see what you can do raw, then bench your ass off raw in the gym(just like every other shirt wearing guy on this board including myself does)and see how much weight you can throw up. Then go to the meets and put on a shirt like every one else and bench your ass off in the shirt and win your weight class.
Now you have killed two birds with one stone. You have won your weight class under the same rules as everyone else and you have also shown your self how much you can do raw while training in the gym. No one ever hears about raw meets, raw meets will not get you any money, raw meets will not get you up on stage at the Arnold with Halbert and all the other beasts. Stop fucking crying. I dont give a rats ass what anyone can do except for myself. Personally my best max raw was 335 and my best with a shirt(Single Ply Poly) in a meet was 350. Im proud of both. All I can say is that when I hit over 400 in the 165's with a shirt on Ill be happy as hell, Ill also know that I can do probably 20lbs less than that without the shirt. Oh well I got a little bit of weight out of the shirt, so what. Ill still be able to know deep down that I can out bench most people in the 165's without a shirt. Damn, I hate to be an asshole, I hate to even talk about what I have done because I dont brag but I just wish people would grow the fuck up.
 
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