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Beginner Mistakes - Part I: Max Effort Progression

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Beginner Mistakes - Part I: Max Effort Progression
By Jim Wendler, Elite Fitness Systems

When I first started training using the Westside methods, I would often end my max effort exercise and feel like I didn’t do anything. Sure, I maxed out and strained, but I never felt like I did that much. Now that I am stronger, max effort days are extremely hard and painful. I hadn’t thought about this phenomenon until recently when Dave Tate and I talked one night after a seminar. We were talking about our training logs and how they would influence people. I had mentioned that many times on a max effort day, I would perform the core exercise, one other exercise and leave. I was unsure if this was the correct message to send the younger lifter. He quickly pointed out that because of my present strength level I had done a quite a bit of work on the core exercise. Even though I worked up to a 1RM, the total amount of weight lifted was large and what was needed to bring up my strength. He had me grab a piece of paper and told me to write down what I did for my max effort bench day.

3 Board Press (straight weight)

2 sets of 5 repetitions @ 45lbs
2x5 @ 95
2x5 @ 135
1x5 @ 185
1x3 @ 225
1x3 @ 275
1x3 @ 315
1x3 @ 365
1x1 @ 405
1x1 @ 455
1x1 @ 495
1x1 @ 525
1x1 @ 550

Dave then told me to add up the total weight that I lifted that day. This amounted to 9645lbs. Three lifts were done over 90% of my max.

He then mentioned that too many times a younger, weaker lifter will make huge jumps between attempts and thus the total amount of weight lifted is significantly reduced. Here is a sample workout of what I would use to do.

3 Board Press (straight weight, previous personal record was 355lbs)

135x3
185x3
225x1
275x1
315x1
365x1

The total amount of weight lifted is 2140lbs with only one lift over 90%. This is a far cry from what I am doing now. Of course my current strength level will dictate that I will lift more weight during a session. But how could I have increased my volume on the max effort day without sacrificing strength? Here is what I should have done.

2x5 @ 45
2x5 @ 95
1x3 @ 135
1x3 @ 175
1x3 @ 205
1x3 @ 235
1x1 @ 265
1x1 @ 295
1x1 @ 325
1x1 @ 345
1x1 @ 365

This now equals 5955lbs with three lifts in the 90+% range. This is over 2 ½ times the weight lifted from the previous example. This is a great way for a beginner to increase his strength and work capacity. These smaller jumps were less than 10% of my 1RM. In the first example, I would jump 40 or 50lbs between sets. This represents a 15% jump. If I were to do that now it would be over 80lbs between attempts. There is no way I could do that, so why should I expect a beginner to handle that? I made this mistake and I suspect that many other young lifters are doing it now. Take smaller jumps and make bigger gains.

Jim Wendler
Elite Fitness Systems
www.EliteFTS.com
 
I'm guilty. I used to do while doing a simulated board press in a power rack. I rest the weight on the pins for a sec or two and press.

135 * 3
185 * 3
225 * 3
275 * 3
315 * 3
335 * 1
355 * hit or miss, depends on how strong I am that day.

All screwed up.
I recently tried it this way
135*3
185*3
225*3
245*3
275*3
295*3
315*1
335*1
355*1
375*0

I guess I'm still doing too much, wearing myself out early in the exercise, I should stop the 3 reps after 225 and drop to singles. I did feel alot better jumping in smaller increments.
 
Its weird how i have only seen this type of article now.....unless i have missed a similar one.

Westside use a lot of old principles......this volume thing is very important. It makes my wonder why i looked over it before.
I guess i was worried i would be to tired to max out....but thats not the case
 
I am able to lift more doing it in smaller jumps, I thought I would wear myself out faster.

Are you still wokring on the gripper trianing. I took a two week break, unintentially.
 
I have been making the heavy jumps as well. So I need to start out lifht weight and slowly work up doing several 3 or 4 reps until I get up within 70 to 80% of my max?
 
Grantsdu said:
I have been making the heavy jumps as well. So I need to start out lifht weight and slowly work up doing several 3 or 4 reps until I get up within 70 to 80% of my max?

personally i do 3ples until about 75, 80 % of my max. then I do something like this :
80-85 % single
90 % siingle
95 % single
102 % single (pr hopefully)
or something similar. I take fairly small jumps

so i dont do 4 reps really. my last triple might only end up a double
 
I don't really train Westside, but i feel i better lifting little by little. I use to lift something like 135x12, 155x10, 185x8, 205x6, 225x4, 235x2, 245x1. Yeah i'm weak, but i could never hit 245 without doing all those sets before it, really weird. When i start Westside in a few monthes, i wonder if it will be the same.
 
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