Yesterday's post on Test-only cycle

[JKD]

sk* - I thought what I posted was clear enough. Do a poll on what the average dose of test was for a first cycle. Then do another poll to see if they were happy with there results. My guess is that you will find the dosage ranges between 400 - 600mgs and they were satisfied with there gains.

I read countless post on 1st timers using between 400 - 500mgs of test and get great strength and size gains. My conclusion is based on the testimonials of fellow board members and testimonials of friends.

"First cycle was 200mg/week of deca and I bumped it up to 400mg for a few weeks in between. Total net gain = 0." That supprizes me - are you sure it was real? Did you train and eat right.

Also, its a public board - and as long as I am with in the guildlines of board rules - I don't see a problem with posting my 2 cents. No flame was intended.

 

[sk*]

sk* - I thought what I posted was clear enough. Do a poll on what the average dose of test was for a first cycle. Then do another poll to see if they were happy with there results. My guess is that you will find the dosage ranges between 400 - 600mgs and they were satisfied with there gains.

I read countless post on 1st timers using between 400 - 500mgs of test and get great strength and size gains. My conclusion is based on the testimonials of fellow board members and testimonials of friends.

"First cycle was 200mg/week of deca and I bumped it up to 400mg for a few weeks in between. Total net gain = 0." That supprizes me - are you sure it was real? Did you train and eat right.

Also, its a public board - and as long as I am with in the guildlines of board rules - I don't see a problem with posting my 2 cents. No flame was intended.

I would have absolutely no problem if you stated this in your first post, although I don't agree with you. My problem was that you just said a statement (which was obviously said and actually backed by) and passed by when everyone else was discussing it.

-sk

 

[JKD]

"I would have absolutely no problem if you stated this in your first post, although I don't agree with you. My problem was that you just said a statement (which was obviously said and actually backed by) and passed by when everyone else was discussing it. " Thats fair.

Really what it comes down to is the indivdual. I have seen some people grow off as little as 200mg of test. I have also seen people do 1 g of test and get poor gains. Diet, Training, Rest and gentics come into play.

I think the first time runner needs to see how there body is going to react. Thats just my opinion - I would hate for a new user to get gyno for taking to much when they could have lowered their dosage and avoided the bitch tits.

But I also hear you when you say its the first time so why not take advantage of your clean receptors. However, Cautions does need to be taken if your going to hitting a g of test a week (not that it doesn't if your taking less).

You have made some valid points in your post as well as other posters. Either way this thread gives some good info for new users to consider.

 

[sk*]

-sk

 

[macDbol]

Yes, the rest will allow you to further gains mainly for 2 reasons:

1. The body has began producing it's own testosterone again and the introduction of an exogeneous anabolic will shock the body. Very similar to changing patterns in training style.

2. You will no doubt have lost some of the gains post-cycle and the body will again be ready for another stage of growth. Remember, the body can only grow so quickly. It must adapt to it's weight, which of course takes time.

You see, the body never actually adapts to the testosterone. It simply needs time to adapt to the mass that has been added. And then of course it will be ready to grow again.

Another key point is that even if you do allow the rest period between the two cycles, you will not gain nearly as much the second time around (this is considering the exact same cycle is used both times).

This is again, due to the fact that the body has grown and requires a larger amount of anabolics to continue the growth.

Excellent and valid questions SK. I appreciate the discussion.

Many of you 'young bucks' are very intelligent as far as using anabolics. I am quite impressed.

canadian bro hits all points well.......sk isnt factoring in that a "growth" dose eventually becomes a "maintneince" dose for reasons other than receptor downregulation

 

[T2O]

Damn 1gram is too much for a first time IMO Bro see how your bod will accept the test. If all is OK and you really feel like it start bumping it up. I know for supression 500 would be the same as 1000 but the sides on 1000 have to be higher than on 1/2 that. I would wait and see if acne or gyno or other problems might arise before bumping it up to such a massive amount. Like I said before too many people are shooting the shit out of themselves over night trying to blow up.

 

[Mike P.T.]

I know too many people who gain well off of lower doseages. sk* I understand what you are saying bro. I'm sure you do everything you can to grow but your genetics for juice is not good. Even the amount of insulin you were taking was more than what most would take. You are a rare breed. My younger brother for example did a deca only cycle with 300 a week for 10 weeks and gained over 10 pounds and his strength went through the roof. I still gained well even on my 5 and 6th cycle on 400 to 500mg test a week. You said you gained nothing. Well with proper training and diet you should have gained something just alone from that. Genetics plays a big part here. Genetics, diet, training, and rest all do though.

 

[sk*]

I know too many people who gain well off of lower doseages. sk* I understand what you are saying bro. I'm sure you do everything you can to grow but your genetics for juice is not good. Even the amount of insulin you were taking was more than what most would take. You are a rare breed. My younger brother for example did a deca only cycle with 300 a week for 10 weeks and gained over 10 pounds and his strength went through the roof. I still gained well even on my 5 and 6th cycle on 400 to 500mg test a week. You said you gained nothing. Well with proper training and diet you should have gained something just alone from that. Genetics plays a big part here. Genetics, diet, training, and rest all do though.

Maybe you are right when it comes to the genetics, but I still don't see why not hit the receptors hard on the first cycle to take maximum advantage.

BTW my Fina receptors are exceptional.

-sk

 

[Mike P.T.]

Maybe you are right when it comes to the genetics, but I still don't see why not hit the receptors hard on the first cycle to take maximum advantage.

BTW my Fina receptors are exceptional.

-sk

Well that would be a good idea if someone's goals were to be a pro-bodybuilder and knowing all that comes with it and for a beginner cycle 1 gram would be good. Think about it though bro. 1 gram would definately hit a person good and give him gains whether or not he works out right or eat or trains right but why make a person rely on only drugs to get anywhere. Plus if he starts off at 1 gram where does he go from there? He will most likely stay at that doseage range or like most people who get addicted, go higher and higher. Start off light to asess tolerance to the drug. No need to go really high like genar3 said, this is a marathon and not a sprint. Even you bro there was nothing wrong with you starting off light. You did and now you know that lighter doses don't work well for you. But what about the others with superior receptors. They may have made great gains doing far less than 1 gram but since they started there they may stay there for good.

BTW - fina is good isn't it. Even though I had bad experiences with it I'm thinking of going back on. Hmmmm.......

 

[CanadianBro]

Plus if he starts off at 1 gram where does he go from there? He will most likely stay at that doseage range or like most people who get addicted, go higher and higher.

Excellent point.