the difference between bodybuilders and powerlifters

[sk*]

To say the Pros don't know training is fucking stupid. Their routine may not work for you but they have it down to a SCIENCE as to what works for them. BTW, a lot pros also have a trainer, charles glas, for example, and to say he doesn't know training also puts you in the wrong.

Exactly! It's their job to know how to train, no shit they have excelled at it.

-sk

 

[casualbb]

Well let me pose another question then. In all these muscle mags, you see "so-and-so's leg routine, guaranteed to put inches on your quads!" Tons of regular joes do the exercise and gain nothing. Now assuming that the magazine isn't lying about the routine...

Is a routine really "good" if it only works for one individual? I don't think so. Sure they can add volume if they're juicing (more on that in a sec), but the basic fundamentals should be applicable to anybody. As for guys who have trainers, good for them. I'm not saying trainers don't know how to train for growth, although some don't. I'd want to see each guy's credentials before I trusted him.

 

[casualbb]

As to steroids, they're a helluva lot more than just a little boost in protein synthesis. I mean, shit, CREATINE is just a lil boost in protein synthesis. Steroids will do the following:

* Enhanced growth factor activity (e.g. GH, IGF-1, etc.)
* Enhanced activation of myogenic stem cells (i.e. satellite cells)
* Enhanced myonuclear number (to maintain nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio)
* Enhanced protein synthesis
* Enhanced new myofiber formation

It jacks up every single step in the muscle-building process. Enhanced new fiber formation and accelerated growth in existing fibers. And these effects, unlike creatine, are DOSE-DEPENDANT. Not growing fast enough? No problem, take another 500 mg a week.

For anyone who downplays the role of steroids, take a look at the anabolic board. If they're just a small tool in the bodybuilder's arsenal, why is 90% of the anabolic board psychologically addicted to their use? Some guy will go on and say "I kept 10 pounds in an 8-week cycle!" And other guys will say "okay, good for you." Here on training, if someone gains near 10 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, we karma him til his ass is green. There, 10 pounds? Nuttin' special.

Like I said, before bodybuilding discovered steroids, the top pros were under 230. That's not a coincidence.

 

[casualbb]

I'm almost done rambling, I promise.

One of the pervading mentality on this boards is "everybody is an individual! You have to experiment to see what kind of routine will work for you." That's true, but NOT NEARLY to the extent that most people believe.

Each person is NOT a completely new system to be considered, with a grab-bag of techniques to be tried. The same principles of growth apply to everybody.

We're all homo sapiens. The way each person works is 99.9999% similar to the next. If it weren't this way, there would be no field of medicine, because how would you know which drug to prescribe, which tests to conduct, what surgery to approve?

The science of strength training finally took hold with programs such as WSB and others. It's time for the science of growth to finally penetrate the world of bodybuilding and give us real-world gains on par with those made in the lab.

 

[Thaibox]

As to steroids, they're a helluva lot more than just a little boost in protein synthesis. I mean, shit, CREATINE is just a lil boost in protein synthesis.You're comparing the mechanisms of anabolics to those of creatine? Steroids will do the following:

* Enhanced growth factor activity (e.g. GH, IGF-1, etc.)
* Enhanced activation of myogenic stem cells (i.e. satellite cells)
* Enhanced myonuclear number (to maintain nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio)
* Enhanced protein synthesis
* Enhanced new myofiber formation
And these things cause massive muscles? Just add gear and *poof* instant-pro! ....uh, nope
It jacks up every single step in the muscle-building process. Enhanced new fiber formation and accelerated growth in existing fibers. And these effects, unlike creatine, are DOSE-DEPENDANT. Not growing fast enough? No problem, take another 500 mg a week.BS. You're a good bro around here, so forgive me if I'm blunt, but it sounds like you have very little knoweldge about anabolics bro. You can't argue a subject you have no knowledge of, it makes you look silly.

For anyone who downplays the role of steroids, take a look at the anabolic board. If they're just a small tool in the bodybuilder's arsenal, why is 90% of the anabolic board psychologically addicted to their use? I've done three solid cycles in the past. I haven't touched them for over 2 years now. Am I shaking violently and drooling over a picture of test? Nope, I could give a fuck. I'll probably do another, but not until I need to. I busted my ass naturally and only considered using gear when I hit a wall. I was chasing a martial arts goal and wanted to grow at the same time....can you do that? I sure couldn't. Right now I'm not fighting anymore, so I'm not faced with a shit load of cardio and potential overtraining. So, I can focus on the gym and grow naturally just fine. Some guy will go on and say "I kept 10 pounds in an 8-week cycle!" And other guys will say "okay, good for you." Here on training, if someone gains near 10 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, we karma him til his ass is green. There, 10 pounds? Nuttin' special.And?

Like I said, before bodybuilding discovered steroids, the top pros were under 230. That's not a coincidence.

 

[vinylgroover]

btw casual, you give too much credit to AAS. They aren't that powerful. They're simply another tool.

Probably the understatement of the year.

i've seen steroids put muscle on a broomstick.

 

[louden_swain]

Folks. . .steroids aren't magic.

If you have a shitty diet, shitty training, and lifestyle. . .you will gain nothing.

 

[vinylgroover]

Folks. . .steroids aren't magic.

If you have a shitty diet, shitty training, and lifestyle. . .you will gain nothing.

No, you will gain something.

If you have the above with no steroids, that is when you will gain nothing.

I have seen it time and time again.

 

[Thaibox]

You're right, you'll have something.

Then you'll stop the gear and be back to a scrawny turd.


Gear does not put quality muscle onto a body unless proper training conditions are present. If they aren't present, the gains are water, tits, and any true muscle gains are negligable and temporary.

 

[revexrevex]

No one said that gear without training will automatically put muscle on you.

To say that steroids is not a magic pill is just ridicilous. It allows the person to push themselves to new horizons as opposed to a natural person.