the difference between bodybuilders and powerlifters

[casualbb]

I think it's closer to an optimal hypertrophy program than anything else out there.

On un unrelated note, take mike mentzer. He built an impressive body using drugs while doing heavy duty, which is generally accepted as an ineffective program.

The fact that any program will produce some gains (esp when coupled with steroids) leads people to believe a lot of fictitious information.

 

[endpoint]

whilst trying to find the articles about arthur jones disciples sneaking away to do extra workouts i found this.......not saying i agree with it:
http://www.drsquat.com/index.cfm?action=viewarticle&articleID=74

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Fred Hatfeild seems to hate Arthur Jones, and the Nautilus machines. If you ever go to one of his seminars, or watch one of his tapes, he makes sure to always bring something up about that. "He stole the idea for those machines from germans who made them 10 thousand years ago, and Arthur Jones is Satan himself" Or something like that

As for the other topic, I love HST. I think it's a wonderful hypertrophy program, but to say, or imply some pro's would be 'better off' if they used different training, is off the wall! They are pro's for a reason, and NO it is not just steroids, and genetics. We are talking guys who have unheard of dedication, drive, and determination, and guys who have busted their balls for years with the heavy weights. These guys know what works for them, period. Do I think someone like Ronnie would change the way he trains? No. Even if he would, I don't think it would be a wise move. He found what works best for him, and he should stick with it! This is a point that Iron Addict, and I believe Dante have mentioned before. Once you find what works for you, stick with it.

 

[endpoint]

john berardi
on genetics:
http://www.johnberardi.com/updates/jan312003/lp_jan312003.htm

 

[Thaibox]

Wow, this thread has managed to covered nearly all the most annoying arguments.

-bodybuilders vs powerlifters
-genetics, excuse or limitation
-steroids, and pros' results
-High vs Low volume
-my routine is better than your routine



btw casual, you give too much credit to AAS. They aren't that powerful. They're simply another tool.

 

[louden_swain]

I always thought genetics were overrated. People will always make excuses why they can't do this or that. . .success always depends on hard work and determination.

Pro bodybuilders don't have best genetics out of everyone. . they are the ones who have devoted their time towards training and formulating an eating plan.

As far as AS is concerned. . .just another tool that helps process protein synthesis.

 

[sk*]

You are right, you shouldn't take advice from ronnie coleman on lifting because it will most likely overtrain you. But because of his genetics, gear, and other factors he is able to do the types of workouts he does.

HST or any other training method is based on a few principles, but these principles aren't necessarily the end to all principles. These are just a few things that people have accounted into their trainings, and with time they will improve ...

There really is no such thing as an "ideal" training method because the concept of "ideal" is so shady and user defined.

BTW, you don't just take steroids one day and become big the next day.

-sk

 

[louden_swain]

Remember folks. . .Ronnie Coleman has been training for 22 years.

 

[sk*]

Remember folks. . .Ronnie Coleman has been training for 22 years.

Exactly! How can I take someone seriously who claims he does stupid workouts after that many years of training?

And it isn't just ronnie, all the pros have been training for a long time ...

-sk

 

[SeanHolmz]

To say the Pros don't know training is fucking stupid. Their routine may not work for you but they have it down to a SCIENCE as to what works for them. BTW, a lot pros also have a trainer, charles glas, for example, and to say he doesn't know training also puts you in the wrong.