the difference between bodybuilders and powerlifters

[revexrevex]

My opinions are coming from observations of very close friends. Steroids CAN (not WILL) make up for bad training and diet. It is dependant on the invidual though. And louden you are a natural as well, how do you know what is wrong and what is right lol

 

[Debaser]

Casual I agree but not with the example you gave. People, steroids do make up for bad training routines. Those people that are huge doing 25 sets for their chest? 95% of natural trainees couldn't get away with that. But Mentzer is not a good example. Heavy duty may not be the absolute fastest way to gain muscle, but it definitately works. Most natural trainees would gain on this program as opposed to a volume routine. Heavy Duty isn't very dissimilar from HIT (hell that's where HIT came from) and I've seen HIT make a lot of regular people muscular.

Let me pose this question to everyone:

How many large, natural trainees with average genetics do you see doing a traditional volume 4-5 day split? I have yet to see one. All of the huge natural guys I've seen or talk to do some variant of HIT, DC, or a powerlifting type routine. Simply because these programs allow one to consistantly progress and achieve great levels of strength, and eventually great levels of size along with it. I'm sure HST is the same way but it hasn't been around for a long time yet.

 

[revexrevex]

There are some natural guys who worked out for long long time on traditional volume routine and are very big. Time, steroids and genetics CAN (not WILL) make up for bad training.

 

[louden_swain]

There are some natural guys who worked out for long long time on traditional volume routine and are very big. Time, steroids and genetics CAN (not WILL) make up for bad training.

It will??

Please talk about your vast experience. . .

 

[revexrevex]

I said it CAN not WILL

It is my opinion. After all this is an opinion based board.

The only vast experience I have is communication with hundred of lifters both in real life and on internet.

 

[louden_swain]

I said it CAN not WILL

It is my opinion. After all this is an opinion based board.

The only vast experience I have is communication with hundred of lifters both in real life and on internet.

Here we have it folks. . . no credible evidence, and this poster has demonstrated the lack of knowledge, experience, and has failed to post legitimate sources of information that say anything about AS making up for poor training, diet, and rest.

Please stop trying to push this. . .

If this is your opinion. . .I will certainly not consider it.

 

[revexrevex]

That's it, you pissed me off, Im going to deadlift llol

 

[slinky]

Can I just add that steroids won't do shit w/out nothing. Protein will always be the catalyst.

Be smart with your diet and training first.

 

[casualbb]

Louden, you condemn rev for his opinion, you "will certainly not consider it," because he hasn't used. Well neither have you. What makes yours more valid?

Obviously this pissed off people:

Cause when you're juicing it really doesn't matter. All you have to do is lift something, anything, at least once a week and you'll explode.

Yet nobody wanted to address this:

Don't believe me? Think back to puberty. You probably put on muscle from sitting on your ass, I know I did. Why? Hormones are pretty damn powerful.

Why does the average man vastly overpowers the average woman in strength and size yet does not lift weights? TESTOSTERONE. Thank you.

 

[sk*]

"Yet nobody wanted to address this:

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Don't believe me? Think back to puberty. You probably put on muscle from sitting on your ass, I know I did. Why? Hormones are pretty damn powerful.
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Why does the average man vastly overpowers the average woman in strength and size yet does not lift weights? TESTOSTERONE. Thank you."

I did address it, diminishing returns. You keep adding 500mg per cycle and very soon you will pass the 2g mark. Mostly everyone will tell you the androgen receptor gets saturated at this point and the gains stop to progress. Going above this mark is very similar to an asymptote imo, get what I am saying? It might still provide extra gains, but nothing spectacular.

BTW, casual you avoided my responce before the steroid issue came up. To claim the top pros don't know how to train is like saying a fat man doesn't know how to eat.

-sk