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the difference between bodybuilders and powerlifters

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I agree to some extent. I remember hearing awhile ago that initially (first few months), there's actually an UPregulation of test receptors. That's why long cycles can be very effective if one manages recovery.

I'm not sure but it would seem that the asymptote levels off at a very extreme dose of test.

Did I miss it? Sorry, I guess I got distracted, I'll go find it.
 
casualbb said:
I agree to some extent. I remember hearing awhile ago that initially (first few months), there's actually an UPregulation of test receptors. That's why long cycles can be very effective if one manages recovery.

I'm not sure but it would seem that the asymptote levels off at a very extreme dose of test.

Did I miss it? Sorry, I guess I got distracted, I'll go find it.

The 2g is an approximate number I am bringing up but the real number isn't far off. If you take a look around at the ana board, you will see that there aren't too many people taking a higher dose than this.

Yes, the pros probably take much more than this dosage, but they are taking it to compete as it is their job to do so.

There was even a thread recently of how good 500mg of test is compared to 1g of test. Most said the gains weren't that much better than that of 500mg.

-sk
 
Bro, why is Heavy Duty crap?! Do you know that the original HeavyDuty is almost exactly the same as HST, the program you love so much? Thats right. The whole body in one workout, 1-2 sets each part, three times a week. Thats how Arthur Jones first had Casey, and Mike do it. Thats also how Mike used to train when he was doing shows. He has said his best results where when he was on an every other day routine. He only later changed it, after he had retired.

The modern Heavyduty, is nothing like the original HIT and the first style of Heavy Duty Mike did. Mike made further refinements after years of working with thousands of clients, and seeing how much they could, and could not tolerate. I'm getting sick and tired of people talking smack on Mentzer. He was a very smart man, and knew what he was doing. He was incredible in his time, and his training DOES work. Iron Addict trains people similiar to this, and they all gain, he even trains top level guys. Besides, Mikes not exactly around to defend himself. He is dead, let's show some respect for a LEGEND.

As for steroids, they are far, far, far from the magic bullit. You have to actually work harder! Everything has to be right. You have to keep shoving down the protein, keep increasing the weights, keep working harder. You don't just curl a soup can and get 20inch arms, nor do you pop a d-bol and wake up like Gunther or Ronnie. These are all bullshit myths. Just like training without steroids, you have to train properly, or else all you will gain is 10lbs of bloat, and an ego, and that is the flat out TRUTH.
 
Iron Addict is a respect mod, and vet on many other boards. He has his own forum on Animals board, and on Gotfina. He has written many articles, check over there. You might still be able to see his forum on Animal, but most of the board is private now. If you can't get on there, go to gotfina.com
 
Its funny though - the effects of sterioids depends a lot on the amount of receptor sites your body has in the right areas.

basicly the more genetically gifted you are the better steroids work, as far as msucle gain is concerned. yes it is a vicious circle :)
 
1) Those magazines also tell you to buy bug-juice as it is guaranteed to make you big.

2) Noone ever talked about efficient routines for everyone, the point was for themselves. You were bashing the way they do things and not the routine for overall people.

All of this is rendered moot if the magazines are lying, which I certainly wouldn't put past them. After all, it's in their best interests to keep people from growing.

With good genetics and proper doses, training matters much less than one would like to think. Each pro swears by his routine but I'm gonna claim that they probably could've gotten there on a variety of routines. It's ridiculous to claim that they managed to throw a dart at the dartboard of all potential training and magically hit the bullseye of "each and every acute variable is designed to maximize my growth, ME PERSONALLY."

True, but IMO you need different types of routines at different stages of your lifting carrear.

Do you honestly think ronnie would grow if he did whatever you do?

1)I agree to some extent and 2)yes.
 
casualbb said:


All of this is rendered moot if the magazines are lying, which I certainly wouldn't put past them. After all, it's in their best interests to keep people from growing.

With good genetics and proper doses, training matters much less than one would like to think. Each pro swears by his routine but I'm gonna claim that they probably could've gotten there on a variety of routines. It's ridiculous to claim that they managed to throw a dart at the dartboard of all potential training and magically hit the bullseye of "each and every acute variable is designed to maximize my growth, ME PERSONALLY."



1)I agree to some extent and 2)yes.

You are taking everything to extremes. Yes maybe they could also grow with a few other routines, but chances are they have tried those routines. They tried a bunch of routines in their lives and now they have found something that fairly works better than others.

I do agree with you that people take "everyone is different" a little too far, but like I said before, the stage of your lifting carrear matters greatly.

To think that ronnie would gain with your exact routine as you would is ignorant as his gear use, recovery, and genetics (probably) are far better than yours. I am willing to bet he would lose muscle if he did HST in the exact form it is described on their website, mostly because if wouldn't fatigue or stress his muscles as much.

How long have you been lifting casual?
When did you really get into lifting? I mean seriously started lifting?
What routines have you tried? Please list in order that you have tried them in, and how long you stayed with each.
What are your stats? (height, weight, bf%)
What were your stats when you started lifting seriously?

-sk
 
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