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The debate is over size does NOT=strength!!!!
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Mike_Rojas
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All this science is giving me a headache. Just lift the damn bar! 
Lifting the damn bar is science; it's physics, biomechanics, chemistry, anatomy, physiology...
When it's time to lift the bar, I lift the bar. When the work is done, I love to learn all I can about HOW it was done so I know WHY it was done, and if it can be done better. No harm in that.
You commented recently on how all the tips and form changes have helped your lifts considerably just in the short time you've been here. That advice was based on science...science improved your lifts. If no one ever thought about that stuff, studied it, tried it, we wouldn't have anything to talk about. You have seen for yourself that just "lifting the bar" doesn't cut it. If it did, you'd be a few weeks regressed.
When it's time to lift the bar, I lift the bar. When the work is done, I love to learn all I can about HOW it was done so I know WHY it was done, and if it can be done better. No harm in that.
You commented recently on how all the tips and form changes have helped your lifts considerably just in the short time you've been here. That advice was based on science...science improved your lifts. If no one ever thought about that stuff, studied it, tried it, we wouldn't have anything to talk about. You have seen for yourself that just "lifting the bar" doesn't cut it. If it did, you'd be a few weeks regressed.
Mike_Rojas
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spatts said:
Certainly no harm in that. I thought you were getting tired of all the arguing. I like to learn as much as I can. No offence to anyone, but sometimes these threads go around and around in circles
That was my point.
Even more frustrating is when I DO post published science that answers some of these question, and the thread falls to the bottom with 500 reads and 0 posts. We all want to talk about what we THINK we know about the science, but when push comes to shove, 90% are just guessing and can't even comprehend the nitty-gritty enough to conduct a profound discussion about it.
When evaluating what works for you, be as fly-by-the-seat as you want, but don't try to apply that as universal theory. It doesn't work that way. <---------That's not directed at anyone.
Even more frustrating is when I DO post published science that answers some of these question, and the thread falls to the bottom with 500 reads and 0 posts. We all want to talk about what we THINK we know about the science, but when push comes to shove, 90% are just guessing and can't even comprehend the nitty-gritty enough to conduct a profound discussion about it.
When evaluating what works for you, be as fly-by-the-seat as you want, but don't try to apply that as universal theory. It doesn't work that way. <---------That's not directed at anyone.
SeymourCuts
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It all depends on type of training and goals. You can increase limit strength while actually having the tape measurements go down at the same bodyfat%. That's what would frequently happen if a lot of bodybuilders decided to train like weight-class powerlifters. You can also increase in size while having limit strength go down. Put almost anyone with a prior free-weight focus on a machine-based hypertrophy program, and that's what will happen. There are different facets of both hypertrophy and strength.
