The debate is over size does NOT=strength!!!!

[NEWcb38ac]

Stregth and size dont HAVE to go togethr... Right now I am stronger than I was 8 weeks ago but MUCH weaker than I was a year agou when I was 15 pounds lighter at a higher bodyfat...

I may be the ecception and not the rule but for me I can getbigger an be getting weaker... I've neevr been very strong in upper body lits and right now at my biggest I am not my strongest

 

[Bulldog_10]

Stregth and size dont HAVE to go togethr... Right now I am stronger than I was 8 weeks ago but MUCH weaker than I was a year agou when I was 15 pounds lighter at a higher bodyfat...

So last year you were at a higher bf% and lower weight? and you were stronger?

If I read that correctly, it's probably because you've been ignoring your neuromuscular system...not because your muscles are weaker.

 

[NEWcb38ac]

Def. not ignoring nuero system, 've been doing DC training, It's gotten me stronger tha I as before I started but still my lifts are down 20+ pounds from last year when I was smaller AND fatter...

exaple: DB shoulder press, last year 90 for 5-6 was normal Justthis week I got 70 for 5

Incline BB, was 255 for 8 not 225-235 for 8

Last year weighed 210 now 225 BF% approx same or lower

 

[spatts]

Maybe I'm stepping on toes here, but there are TWO size/strength arguments, and I have been confused (since the first post) as to which on you're talking about.

1) There's the idea that size and strength aren't related in the sense that you don't have to be very big to lift alot of weight (for example many powerlifters with very high lift : body weight ratios).

2) Then there's the size/strength argument about whether or not one leads to the other in both directions, or only one, or not at all.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Maybe I'm stepping on toes here, but there are TWO size/strength arguments, and I have been confused (since the first post) as to which on you're talking about.

1) There's the idea that size and strength aren't related in the sense that you don't have to be very big to lift alot of weight (for example many powerlifters with very high lift : body weight ratios).

2) Then there's the size/strength argument about whether or not one leads to the other in both directions, or only one, or not at all.

Maybe the problem is that I'm talking about individual muscles, whereas other people may be talking about compound movements in which more factors come into play.

 

[spatts]

See, what happens when this topic comes up (DAILY), is that someone says, "If you get stronger you will get bigger." Then someone counters with, "Well, if that's the case, then why are there so many skinny powerlifters that look like can't lift what they can?" Then someone counters with, "Well I mean strength gains will lead to size gains over time." Then someone else says, "Nuh-uh, cuz my brother's best friend's sister's uncle is really, really buff, but he can barely squat his weight."

Point being, we're comparing apples to oranges, and then someone throws in bananas and guava...and before you know it, some rice shows up with some cheese, and starts talking about the green beans...and so on.

 

[Bulldog_10]

LOL at the rice and beans trying to get in on the mix...we're talking fruit damnit!

But I agree...I think another thing is that some people are looking at the scientific angle of the matter...whereas other people are looking at what they've seen in the gym.

 

[spatts]

Yes, and that leads to the other weekly topic which is "It's really all about genetics, isn't it."

Very few poeple train instinctually anymore, it seems.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Yes, and that leads to the other weekly topic which is "It's really all about genetics, isn't it."

Very few poeple train instinctually anymore, it seems.

haha...i guess I'll have to stick around for a while to know what you're talking about...as you know I'm never on this board. I think I will be from now on though (like it or not )

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

Bottomline though...I would ASSUME that most reading this board would much rather have the "look" of strength than the actual numbers. Am I right? You could give a shit what you curl if your arms are a ripped 20", correct? And probably vice versa, if benching 700 meant looking like some of the SHW powerlifters out there you could probably live with 405 I'd imagine.