Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've found steroids to be much more effective at an older age. But not because of the weight gain or mass build up but more to do with recovery. At 50 years old it is much harder to recover from hard workouts. Steroids improve that and at least for me it gives me a mental edge as well when I'm on.
steroids are overrated!?
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Lou Super Man 123
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No no no no!
I said "His size" not "Look like". There's a whole world in between. Don't get me wrong with that.
Also I said that based on real life, I'm not arguing.
Such "Discussion" has no end and I don't have the energy for that either, seriously.
I can defend my point telling you "You can achieve his size in a couple of years with these X Y Z compounds but I'm not, here are inmature eyes reading us and I don't want to indirectly encourage them but I'm really sure you know what I mean.
I'm reading what you have to say though
You never know when you can learn something new.
MattJS
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Yes I'd say steroids are definitely overrated, but so is 'going to the gym'.... most guys seem to think they can join the gym and in three months they'll look jacked as hell and crazy ripped...
I watched a great video clip one time of this guy who was talking about people's misconception of muscle gain, 95% of people think they can get a great physique by running on a treadmill, or swimming, or doing dumb shit on a swiss ball... The best point he made was you couldn't start sprinting and in six months expect to be nationally competitive in the 100m, so why do people think they can 'go to the gym' and in six months look like a pro bodybuilder...
To get big results you have to live it, you have to bleed for the gains whether you use steroids or not, its going to take a long time no matter what you do, and as others have said a lot depends on genetics diet and training, I've seen young guys on AAS training consistently and remaining skinny fat, I've also seen guys get big and ripped without any AAS, there are a lot of factors at play, but steroids on their own, just like any other factor on its own can only get you so far...
I watched a great video clip one time of this guy who was talking about people's misconception of muscle gain, 95% of people think they can get a great physique by running on a treadmill, or swimming, or doing dumb shit on a swiss ball... The best point he made was you couldn't start sprinting and in six months expect to be nationally competitive in the 100m, so why do people think they can 'go to the gym' and in six months look like a pro bodybuilder...
To get big results you have to live it, you have to bleed for the gains whether you use steroids or not, its going to take a long time no matter what you do, and as others have said a lot depends on genetics diet and training, I've seen young guys on AAS training consistently and remaining skinny fat, I've also seen guys get big and ripped without any AAS, there are a lot of factors at play, but steroids on their own, just like any other factor on its own can only get you so far...
good point. if you go to a road race the guys winning the bigger races have been running since they were 8 years old. the guys who started late in life and who have no background in running will never sniff 1st place type times in 5K's, 10K's or halves. its just not gonna happen. you have to develop the conditioning and muscle memory for years and years.
so not sure why guys think lifting is any different. thats why i implore parents to get their kids involved in sports at a young age and they should absolutely start lifting weights around 8th grade which is about 12-13 years old. this will pay off dividends once they get into their 20s and 30's
now it doesn't mean just cause you start late in life you have to quit on it.. but i'm just saying its gonna be very difficult for you to compete against your peers who have been doing it all their lives. sames goes for anything.. fishing, boating, sailing, etc etc. or any sport
Lou Super Man 123
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Me too man, I'm like a preacher of it LOL, especially martial arts.
It has so many benefits in so many areas that we just cannot see them all.
Best thing ever.
No no no no!
I said "His size" not "Look like". There's a whole world in between. Don't get me wrong with that.
Also I said that based on real life, I'm not arguing.
Such "Discussion" has no end and I don't have the energy for that either, seriously.
I can defend my point telling you "You can achieve his size in a couple of years with these X Y Z compounds but I'm not, here are inmature eyes reading us and I don't want to indirectly encourage them but I'm really sure you know what I mean.
I'm reading what you have to say though
It's all good, dude. I don't like to argue much over the internet myself, it's futile. As you can see I been member here for 5 years and only have 3,500 posts, which means I don't say much unless I'm compelled to.
My point was that genetics play the fundamental role in whether or not a person excels to the National level and beyond or not.
The big boys, who pack on all that size have a genetic mutation, that does prohibit Myostatin from playing its role in the body's fight to return to its normal state. In other words, they don't have a muscle regulator to tell their body to stop producing muscle tissue. In essence, they are freaks, but not in the connotation that is used on these boards; they are literally side shows.
I been studying genes for a while, and I have concluded through my own study that the majority of the people who are National competiters and pros have a mutation in both copies of the MTSN gene, which means they are homozygotes. Hence, their body produces abnormal muscle growth and strength. Their bodies would indeed make new receptors, which would make them utilize chemicals to the max.
The next type we have are heterozygotes, those people have a mutation in one copy of the MTSN gene. Those types pack on the muscle with ease but not like homozygotes but definitely at a abnormal rate. The heterozygotes would also utilize chemicals at an alarming rate, which means they would make new receptors; opposed to people who don't have any mutations in the MTSN gene.
People who have these mutation are going to excel way faster than the masses, and get over those hurdles that hinder the masses in this sport. I'm talking about a very small percentage of people. I'm talking about people who don't really have to train that hard because they are going to grow regardless. I'm talking about people who don't really eat that clean and still grow like a weed and are simultaneously lean. I'm talking about people who can use a small amount of gear and still get jacked beyond belief. Don't believe the hype!
Are steroids overrated? Imo, steroids are indeed overrated, unless a person is a competitive BBer or needs to use roids because there is a financial reward to be had related to fitness, other than that, then that person should leave roids alone. I believe people are able to develop a nice physique without chemicals. There are plenty of good sups on this board to aid people on their quest to developing a nice physique. No, I'm not a sup rep. I can careless what another man or woman does, I'm just giving my opinion about this subject.
That's a very interesting take on the pros, but it does make a lot of sense. Very good information Led. You may be on to something here.
great post bro. I agree 100%. the genetics thing is real. there is a company that you can send in your spit to and they will process it all and tell you a lot based on your genetics.. chance of getting certain cancers, diabetes, other diseases.. % of your genes that are in olympic athletes which can tell you if you are more able to be athletically gifted or not. this shit is very real and its a reality. i feel sorry for guys with inferior genetics who i see in the gym who work their asses off but go nowhere. once such friend of mine ended up getting cancer at a young age, he is genetically fucked .. i ran into him recently and i was shocked, he had ballooned into 300+_pounds and obese, i used to workout with the guy when we were teens. he worked his ass off with me in the weightroom when we were younger and he went absolutely nowhere and now i know why. his athletic genetics are shit.
I don't think steroids are overrated nor underrated. Steroids are just another class of medicines that started out to aid people with wasting diseases and it served its purpose like all medicines do. I don't look upon Steroids as "The Elixir of Life" nor "Aqua Vitae".
It is a drug that should be used wisely to get the most out of the drug/medicine. Most guys have these exaggerated expectations about what the drug/s will do to them and ask for cycle information and preparation months in advance of the proposed cycle like there is some innate danger to injecting steroids vs oral supplementation. And then when they don't see the culmination of their dream, they all blame it on the steroids and the steroids get get the bashing. I do agree that genetics do play a role in only those that have that genetic make up to get to Olympic largeness, but the average bodybuilder isn't looking to get Cutler, Coleman, or Yates physiques , they just want to look good for themselves, maybe win a local or regional trophy, what the hell, and look good for their wives and girlfriends. You take medicine for an ailment, sickness or some physical debilitating disease. You take the medicine because if you don't, you are going to die.
I have never put steroids on a pedestal nor below it. I know what to expect when I use steroids. If I'm slacking in my workout, I'm not going to berate the steroids because of my lack of drive or motivation, nor my body.
I see steroids as drugs/medicine(TRT) that can help me reach an attainable goal; such as gaining 20-30 lb. of muscle within a 4 year time frame, helps me to have a good erection(No more Viagra).
I'm not going to use or abuse 12,000mgml. of Test E or take 800mg. of Dbol a month to see how close can I get to an Olympic body before I need a kidney or liver transplant.
This question should be posed to the pros and amateur bodybuilders, power lifters, strong men, etc, etc. I'm going to work at getting the most out of my body and the most out of the steroids.
Steroids don't have to be overrated nor underrated, but they should be respected!
It is a drug that should be used wisely to get the most out of the drug/medicine. Most guys have these exaggerated expectations about what the drug/s will do to them and ask for cycle information and preparation months in advance of the proposed cycle like there is some innate danger to injecting steroids vs oral supplementation. And then when they don't see the culmination of their dream, they all blame it on the steroids and the steroids get get the bashing. I do agree that genetics do play a role in only those that have that genetic make up to get to Olympic largeness, but the average bodybuilder isn't looking to get Cutler, Coleman, or Yates physiques , they just want to look good for themselves, maybe win a local or regional trophy, what the hell, and look good for their wives and girlfriends. You take medicine for an ailment, sickness or some physical debilitating disease. You take the medicine because if you don't, you are going to die.
I have never put steroids on a pedestal nor below it. I know what to expect when I use steroids. If I'm slacking in my workout, I'm not going to berate the steroids because of my lack of drive or motivation, nor my body.
I see steroids as drugs/medicine(TRT) that can help me reach an attainable goal; such as gaining 20-30 lb. of muscle within a 4 year time frame, helps me to have a good erection(No more Viagra).
I'm not going to use or abuse 12,000mgml. of Test E or take 800mg. of Dbol a month to see how close can I get to an Olympic body before I need a kidney or liver transplant.
This question should be posed to the pros and amateur bodybuilders, power lifters, strong men, etc, etc. I'm going to work at getting the most out of my body and the most out of the steroids.
Steroids don't have to be overrated nor underrated, but they should be respected!
