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Plant oils reduce testosterone!!!

twistedneck

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OK, plant based fats contain phytosterol's or plant steroids, such as avacado's, peanuts, soy beans, olive oil, corn oil, rice oil, flax, sunflower, coconut oil etc.. (Vegetable oils are the richest dietary source of phytosterols; corn oil contains 0.77% phytosterols by weight) are all really great at lowering cholesterol, but also even better at lowering Testosterone.

The study, published in the Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry, reported that feeding rats a diet rich in phytosterols, the type of fat found in plants, reduced testosterone in the blood stream by 33 percent. A high level of testosterone is one possible risk factor for developing prostate cancer.

Results showed that rats fed the
phytosterol diet had between 33 and 48 percent less testosterone than the animals that received no additional phytosterols. There was no difference in serum testosterone levels between the basal and control groups.

The men were on the low-fat, flaxseed-supplemented diet for an average of 34 days. Finely ground flaxseed was used in the study because, in its natural form, flaxseed is a pointy, tough seed that can puncture the intestines when consumed in the amounts used in this study (three rounded tablespoons a day). The ground flaxseed in the study was vacuum-packed (ground flaxseed can quickly go rancid) and had added emulsifiers for ease of mixing. The men were instructed to sprinkle the flaxseed on their cereal or mix it into juices, yogurt or applesauce. Researchers reported good compliance with the diet and said it was tolerated well.

At the end of the study, the researchers observed that the men on the diet had significant decreases in cholesterol, and both total and free testosterone.
 
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hmm, first 2 were done on rats, last on men, but these were not bodybuilders were they? probably sedentiary... The only reason I bring up these factors is that many bodybuilders consume large amounts of plant oils without problems, albiet some of them are injecting test as well, but there are naturals that do quite well also.

Anyway Plant oils are best for omega/3/6/9 which are quite important in regards to other aspects of bodybuilding.. porstaglandin production.. androgen uptake... etc...

Not to mention the health benefits --which anyone should be concerned about.

Personally I don't think I'll be switching my healthy fats to lard or whatever :)
 
Prostaglandins may or may not be good for testosterone. Omega 3's are not all they are cracked up to be. Omega 3's turn rancid at room temp! Omega 3's raised my cholestrol from 149 to 235 .. ok, not just omega 3's but it sure didn't help.

For every good omega 3 study there is a bad one. I used to be a huge omega 3 fan.. recently dumped out all of my fish and flax oil. Thanks for the feedback. I hope we can find the truth. TW.
 
ya.. hehe this doesn't seem to be a very popular topic, most people don't want to deal with these issues :)

I consume plenty of flax oil and olive oil, I feel great, I haven't had blood work done in a while though.
 
Add saturated fat to the mix and it will removed this effect. Anytime you eat a diet too low in saturated fat, your testosterone production is reduced. Its not the fact that you are eating the mono-unsatured and omega 3 fats, its the fact that you have greatly reduced your satured fat intake that is the blame here.

The simply answer: eat more meat
 
The study, published in the Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry, reported that feeding rats a diet rich in phytosterols, the type of fat found in plants, reduced testosterone in the blood stream by 33 percent. A high level of testosterone is one possible risk factor for developing prostate cancer.

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show us the study, this quote says nothing to me


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Results showed that rats fed the
phytosterol diet had between 33 and 48 percent less testosterone than the animals that received no additional phytosterols. There was no difference in serum testosterone levels between the basal and control groups.
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rats are not humans, I don't bother reading that


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The men were on the low-fat, flaxseed-supplemented diet for an average of 34 days. Finely ground flaxseed was used in the study because, in its natural form, flaxseed is a pointy, tough seed that can puncture the intestines when consumed in the amounts used in this study (three rounded tablespoons a day). The ground flaxseed in the study was vacuum-packed (ground flaxseed can quickly go rancid) and had added emulsifiers for ease of mixing. The men were instructed to sprinkle the flaxseed on their cereal or mix it into juices, yogurt or applesauce. Researchers reported good compliance with the diet and said it was tolerated well.

At the end of the study, the researchers observed that the men on the diet had significant decreases in cholesterol, and both total and free testosterone.

1) low-fat diets are notorious for creating a low-testosterone environment in the body 2) test subjects were NOT supervised properly 3) only a few men were in this sample 4) why in the world would someone eat the WHOLE flaxseed so it "puncture the intestines"? - seems like whoever wrote the study outline had a problem w/ flax to start with 5)seeds were used and NOT cold pressed oil that can be measured, after all I can sprinkle 1 pack or 10 packs or just dump the seems when no one is watching - the RESEARCHERS should have done the "sprinkling"
6) testosterone is made from cholesterol (think of artificial testosterone production - test prop for example - the base is cholesterol) so it's only common sense that a low-fat diet = low-test


Mr.X
 
Mr. BodyByFinaplix, I agree completely about adding saturated Fats, problem is the one I was adding, coconut oil has high amoutns of phytosterols and its got me a little freaked out. Any idea what a good meat would be? I know some meat is fed with high amounts of unsaturated fats to increase the weight of cattle and this leads to a lot more un-saturated fat in the meat.. grass vs. grain fed etc. but I think your on to something with just eating meat, i'm going to eat more meat!

Mr. X, I hear ya on the rat thing, we aint rats. I realize test is buildtfrom cholestrol, and many studies show fatty diets result in elevated testosterone - i just don't want to add the wrong fats, ie. fats full of plant roids like lignans that may reduce my already low (360ng/dl) test levels.

Over the past few years, there has been growing evidence of a link between high levels of testosterone and the risk for developing prostate cancer. Recently, scientists at the University at Buffalo contributed to this area of research when they found that plant-based fats may reduce the levels of testosterone in the blood, as well as certain enzymes that metabolize testosterone into more active forms.
Specifically, the scientists discovered that by feeding rats a diet rich in phytosterols-the type of fat found in plants-they were able to reduce testosterone in the bloodstream by 33 percent.
In addition, they found that the levels of two enzymes, 5-alpha reductase and aromatase, were reduced by 44 percent and 55 percent, respectively, which is significant because these enzymes metabolize testosterone into end-products that also are implicated in the development of prostate cancer.
The study was led by Atif Awad, PhD, head of the nutrition program in UB's Department of Physical Therapy, Exercise and Nutrition Science, whose work was supported by a $45,000 grant from the Allen Foundation. Awad and his colleagues have been trying to understand the mechanisms responsible for vegetarians' lower rates of hormone-dependent cancers and for the lower mortality rate from prostate cancer in Asian countries, where populations eat little meat. Because fats are known to play a role in the development of several cancers, his group has been focusing on the phytosterols for possible answers.
The objective of the current study was to examine the influence of vegetable fats on the metabolism of testosterone in liver, testis and prostate tissue in rats. During metabolism, interaction with the enzyme 5-alpha reductase changes testosterone into more active forms, while interaction with the enzyme aromatase converts it to estrogen, also considered a possible risk factor for prostate cancer.
Knowing that prostate cancer doesn't develop in men castrated before puberty or in men who have low levels of 5-alpha reductase suggested to Awad's group that suppressing the action of the enzyme might be useful in preventing prostate cancer in high-risk groups.
To determine if high levels of phytosterols could inhibit these enzymes, the researchers fed one group of rats a standard diet; a second, control group ate the standard diet plus cholic acid, which stimulates the absorption of vegetable fats. A third group ate a standard diet enhanced with a mixture of phytosterols, plus cholic acid.
Results showed that rats fed the phytosterol diet had between 33 and 48 percent less testosterone than the animals that received no additional phytosterols. There was no difference in serum testosterone levels between the basal and control groups.
The enhanced diet reduced the activity of 5-alpha reductase by 44 percent in the liver and by 33 percent in the prostate but did not affect the enzyme's activity in the testis, results showed. Phytosterols reduced the activity of aromatase by 57 percent in the prostate but had no effect in the liver or testis.
Awad says his research team is continuing to examine exactly how phytosterols bring about these changes, but he believes one pathway involves the "fluidity" of the membranes that harbor the enzymes. "Every enzyme requires a specific fluidity in the membrane in which it resides in order to be activated," he says. "If the membrane is too fluid, the enzymes may not function properly."
Other options include the possibility that phytosterols compete with testosterone and its products of metabolism for the enzyme's active receptors, or that they reduce production of the enzymes themselves. "Either way, the combined effect of reducing levels of testosterone and the activity of its two main enzymes suggests that a diet high in foods containing phytosterols could help reduce the risk of prostate cancer," Awad says.
 
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damn.. just eat some steak bro.. dont' worry about yoru steak not having ENOUGH saturated fat in it lol.
 
Beef is an excellent choice ZK, and I was just going to suggest it.
 
twistedneck ,

Again, it's a RAT study, proves nothing to me personally.

Mr.X
 
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