Partial deads

[SteelWeaver]

About how far off the floor does a partial dead start aka Dave Tate's programme wk 4?

 

[bignate73]

usually above or below the knee.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Thanks bignate - I found one or two posts stating knee level, so that's what I did - wow! Those REALLY hit the lower back hard.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Pin pulls are one of my all-time favorites. I set the pin to where the bar will pull from just above the knee. You should be able to pull quite a bit heavier than from the floor.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Well, unfortunately, I don't have any "pins" - my silly gym doesn't have a power rack, so I just set up some step class risers (which were too low anyway), then just went down to knee level without the customary pause on the pins or whatever. Kind of means stopping in mid air, but it was a 20-rep set, so it wasn't like I was handling a whooole lotta weight.

 

[JJFigure]

Why 20 reps? If you're shooting for strength, I wouldn't do more than 5 reps. Even then, I think you're at risk of losing form. I've only been doing working sets of 2-3 reps when I DL (with a complete stop and reset in between reps).

Another way of doing partial deads is starting from the floor and stopping at knee level. This will help strengthen the starting position of the DL.

 

[SteelWeaver]

Why 20 reps? Uhhhh ... cuz Dave Tate SAID so.

Joke - I was kinda thinking the same thing, but since Westside turns out some of the strongest people on the planet, I figured I'd keep my thoughts to myself, try the programme all the way through, and then evaluate.

The partials are part of the accessory work on max effort squat day. Everything else on that day is 1RM stuff, 5, 8 or 10 reps ... so, I dunno?

 

[JJFigure]

That's right, I forgot you were doing a program. 20 reps seems like a lot though, even for accessory work. Oh well, who am I to question Dave Tate?

 

[spatts]

Steel, rack pulls, pin pulls, whatever you want to call them are done from varying heights, but are targeted around your weakness. Everything about Westside is about blowing away your weakness through speed and strength. If you stick at the bottom, you may want low rack pulls in the rotation more often. For lockout work, you may want to do high pulls or reverse band deads more often...and like someone else said, if you stick at the knee, do them from there. Partial speed pulls are great too...bands or chains.

Just like when we do floor press, 2 board, 3 board, 4 board, 5 board, and lockouts for bench, you can train your deadlift from bottom to top too. Make every link stronger, and your pull will go up.

 

[spatts]

...oh, and that's a beginner routine. You may not want to do the 20 rep thing. If you do, you won't want to do it for long. That's just to build up conditioning in people that are NEW to the game. All your BB lifting has already hit this target.