Newbie - requesting diet help - was told to talk to Mr. X

[Buddy_Christ]

hey, newbie here. i've already posted in the training forum and starting to get some great advice over there. so now, i've gotta visit the other end, of course. any help appreciated.

I went with a low carb low fat high protein diet about 2 months ago. it lasted about, uh, 2 weeks. at the end of 2 weeks, i was STARVING. it was good though. i shrunk a little bit, then started to grow. i just got back into lifting the last week of august, been out of it for a few years, and have never had a structured routine or diet like i have now, so i'm actually making gains, which is excellent. lack of gains is what discouraged me before and why i stopped lifting. anyway, on to the diet.....

i currently lift 5x a week, weekends off. i'm trying to bulk. i want to bulk. i need to bulk. enough of that....this is my normal day:

8am - 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 6oz milk, 1/2 bananna, all mixed together in the blender

930 or 11am (depending on day of the week) - workout

within 1/2 hour of workout (after shower and getting dressed) - whey protein shake, 500mg tab L-Glutamine

2pm - turkey sandwich on wheat, dry, sometimes with cheese, handful salted peanuts

4pm - whey protein shake, lately with a piece of wheat toast and pnut butter

with either shake or dinner, 500mg L-glutamine tab.

6pm - dinner, chicken maybe 3-4x a week, usually bbq, no skin, legs, theighs, breasts, doesn't matter, whatever is on sale; rice some nights, mashed potatoes others, some nights cornbread; veggies (we prefer broccoli); some nights i get fish but that gets expensive, red meat and pork are to a minimum as well as most fried foods

side note on dinner - i do the cooking for my fiance, 6 yr old step-daughter, and 3 yr old son (who is picky as hell), otherwise i'd be able to cook ultra healthy, but i have to make sure everyone eats and don't want to spend 2 hours in the kitchen cooking them dinner then cooking for myself

between 8-10pm - can of tuna or salmon, on crackers, usually 10 crackers for a whole can of tuna, dry

midnight-ish - 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 6oz milk, 1/2 bananna, blended. i blend the morning mix at this time as well and leave it in the fridge. this lets the bananna taste get into it more and makes it easier to drink in the morning.
lately been adding 1 or 2 pieces of wheat toast with pnut butter to this late night snack

that's basically my diet. there's some junk food in there, but not much. maybe a few pieces of candy here and there (still trying to get rid of the kids halloween candy damnit), some nights i'll have a glass of soda or two. maybe 1-3 beers a week anymore, some weeks none. but along with the junk food, ealier tonight i had a bowl full of cottage cheese mixed with apple sauce and some cinnamon. then (shame on me) followed it up a while later with a few pieces of frozen pizza the woman brought home....

i can't be on a 100% fixed diet. i need some flexibility. i've always had a decently fast metabolism. the only thing that adds weight to me in bad places is massive alcohol consumption. at my max, i've weighed 170lbs, and i was drinking like a fish for months to obtain that. my average is 160lbs, and that's where i've stayed for the past 3 months. i'm 5'6".

i don't really know much at all about suppliments and all those good things. and honestly, i don't have a lot of money at my disposal to be buying suppliments left and right. got a decent health store by my campus that sells whey protein in 5lb cans for $25, beats the hell out of GNCs price. at 2 shakes a day, i can easily afford $25/mo for a can of whey protein. they're also supposed to be getting some slow digesting protein mixes in soon, and from what i know, they are a once a day (before bed) deal that deliver 50g or more of protein in one shot. but aside from suppliments, i'm trying to do the best i can with foods, and that's where i need help.

my daily protein intake goal is 160g minimum. between 2 shakes, can of tuna, and my 2 egg/milk/bananna mixes, that's a solid 150g right there, give or take a few. that's not counting lunch, dinner, or any healthier snacks i might put into my body. i'm not counting carbs, although trying to up them a little. i'm not run down, seem to have plenty of energy all the time, but i've read that i need lots of carbs along with the protein to aid digestion and to bulk.

any one able to help, add to, or modify my diet? help greatly appreciated, just please keep in mind that i'm trying to keep cost low and i gotta keep dinner palatable for a finicky 3 yr old (he does a lot of this at dinner, doesn't matter what we're eating).

one last question.....how in the hell do i beat the god awful horrendus gas i'm getting from the protein shakes? it's starting to get a bit less frequent, but damn, i had to lysol out my car big time. fiance thinks something crawled up my ass and died. it's scary.

thanks in advance!

 

[Buddy_Christ]

wanted to add....

i do drink quite a bit of coffee, prolly 1/2 pot a day. i know it's bad, i know it chases water out of my body, but i do pound down quite a bit of water a day. i'm well hydrated. believe me, i know about hydration...i spent almost 4 years stationed in the southern california desert.

biggest problem with me and coffee is i like to add those non-dairy flavored creamers, but no additional sugar. i can drink it black, no problem. but i like it flavored as well. trying to get out of that though, cause it's extra fat. just thought i'd add that.

 

[Mr.X]

I'm going to assume from all this that you are 160lbs., and everything I add is in bold

hey, newbie here. i've already posted in the training forum and starting to get some great advice over there. so now, i've gotta visit the other end, of course. any help appreciated.

I went with a low carb low fat high protein diet about 2 months ago. it lasted about, uh, 2 weeks. at the end of 2 weeks, i was STARVING. it was good though. i shrunk a little bit, then started to grow. i just got back into lifting the last week of august, been out of it for a few years, and have never had a structured routine or diet like i have now, so i'm actually making gains, which is excellent. lack of gains is what discouraged me before and why i stopped lifting. anyway, on to the diet.....

i currently lift 5x a week, weekends off. i'm trying to bulk. i want to bulk. i need to bulk. enough of that....this is my normal day:
so, currently, you're doing a semi-clean bulking diet 5x a week and cheating 2x a week

8am - 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 6oz milk, 1/2 bananna, all mixed together in the blender
drop milk (indigestion and possible bloating, lactose is not a good source), add 2 more whites and 1 more whole egg, drop the 1/2 bannan (fructose is 4x more likely to be stored as fat due to it being 4x more likely to be stored in the liver)
add 1/2 cup oatmeal, you can blend it also
add 1 tbsp. all natural peanut butter

930 or 11am (depending on day of the week) - workout

within 1/2 hour of workout (after shower and getting dressed) - whey protein shake, 500mg tab L-Glutamine
add some high-gi carbs w/ some honey
dextrose or maltodextrin would both work fine
they are both cheap: www.proteinfactory.com

2pm - turkey sandwich on wheat, dry, sometimes with cheese, handful salted peanuts
this meal should be closer to your post workout meal, you PW 2nd meal should be no more than 2hrs pw, so if you're workingout at 9:30, you need this meal (assuming 1hr workout) at about 1pm

4pm - whey protein shake, lately with a piece of wheat toast and pnut butterall natural PB i assume

with either shake or dinner, 500mg L-glutamine tab.

6pm - dinner, chicken maybe 3-4x a week, usually bbq, no skin, legs, theighs, breasts, doesn't matter, whatever is on sale; rice some nights, mashed potatoes others, some nights cornbread; veggies (we prefer broccoli); some nights i get fish but that gets expensive, red meat and pork are to a minimum as well as most fried foods

side note on dinner - i do the cooking for my fiance, 6 yr old step-daughter, and 3 yr old son (who is picky as hell), otherwise i'd be able to cook ultra healthy, but i have to make sure everyone eats and don't want to spend 2 hours in the kitchen cooking them dinner then cooking for myselfI can surely relate to that, kids tend to get so picky

between 8-10pm - can of tuna or salmon, on crackers, usually 10 crackers for a whole can of tuna, dry
try to get in some wheat crackers and add 1tbsp. flaxseed oil

midnight-ish - 2 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 6oz milk, 1/2 bananna, blended. i blend the morning mix at this time as well and leave it in the fridge. this lets the bananna taste get into it more and makes it easier to drink in the morning.
lately been adding 1 or 2 pieces of wheat toast with pnut butter to this late night snack
same as w/ the morning meal, drop milk+banana, add oatmeal 1/2 cup and 1tbsp. all natural peanut butter, and 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg
add, 15g psyllium husk fiber right before bed


that's basically my diet. there's some junk food in there, but not much. maybe a few pieces of candy here and there (still trying to get rid of the kids halloween candy damnit), some nights i'll have a glass of soda or two. maybe 1-3 beers a week anymore, some weeks none. but along with the junk food, ealier tonight i had a bowl full of cottage cheese mixed with apple sauce and some cinnamon. then (shame on me) followed it up a while later with a few pieces of frozen pizza the woman brought home....
you have to stop the drinking, wont work properly in the long run

i can't be on a 100% fixed diet. i need some flexibility. i've always had a decently fast metabolism. the only thing that adds weight to me in bad places is massive alcohol consumption. at my max, i've weighed 170lbs, and i was drinking like a fish for months to obtain that. my average is 160lbs, and that's where i've stayed for the past 3 months. i'm 5'6".
YES, drinking will allow you to gain weight but NOT muscle mass; which is what you're looking for I assume, if you want to gain lean body mass you need to stop drinking

i don't really know much at all about suppliments and all those good things. and honestly, i don't have a lot of money at my disposal to be buying suppliments left and right. got a decent health store by my campus that sells whey protein in 5lb cans for $25, beats the hell out of GNCs price. at 2 shakes a day, i can easily afford $25/mo for a can of whey protein. they're also supposed to be getting some slow digesting protein mixes in soon, and from what i know, they are a once a day (before bed) deal that deliver 50g or more of protein in one shot. but aside from suppliments, i'm trying to do the best i can with foods, and that's where i need help.
you can get a very cheap price www.proteinfactory.com


my daily protein intake goal is 160g minimum. between 2 shakes, can of tuna, and my 2 egg/milk/bananna mixes, that's a solid 150g right there, give or take a few. that's not counting lunch, dinner, or any healthier snacks i might put into my body. i'm not counting carbs, although trying to up them a little. i'm not run down, seem to have plenty of energy all the time, but i've read that i need lots of carbs along with the protein to aid digestion and to bulk.

any one able to help, add to, or modify my diet? help greatly appreciated, just please keep in mind that i'm trying to keep cost low and i gotta keep dinner palatable for a finicky 3 yr old (he does a lot of this at dinner, doesn't matter what we're eating).

one last question.....how in the hell do i beat the god awful horrendus gas i'm getting from the protein shakes?
take some digestive enzymes and before bed psyllium husk fiber should help a bit
it's starting to get a bit less frequent, but damn, i had to lysol out my car big time. fiance thinks something crawled up my ass and died. it's scary.

Mr.X

 

[Buddy_Christ]

Re: Re: Newbie - requesting diet help - was told to talk to Mr. X

Mr. X,
thanks for the response. i'm going to go through this, have some questions.

I'm going to assume from all this that you are 160lbs.

yes, 160lbs currently.

so, currently, you're doing a semi-clean bulking diet 5x a week and cheating 2x a week

i'm not cheating 2x a week, at least not more than any normal day. my weekends, i still take in almost everything i'm taking in during the week, but i start much later, maybe don't drink breakfast until 11am or so and don't drink the late night snack until 2am. i have a hard time eating in the morning, i'm lucky i've been able to drink the milk/egg/bananna mix within an hour of getting out of bed during the week.

drop milk (indigestion and possible bloating, lactose is not a good source), add 2 more whites and 1 more whole egg, drop the 1/2 bannan (fructose is 4x more likely to be stored as fat due to it being 4x more likely to be stored in the liver)
add 1/2 cup oatmeal, you can blend it also
add 1 tbsp. all natural peanut butter

so 2 whole eggs, 4 whites, some ANPB, and some oatmeal, cooked oatmeal i'm assuming, right? honestly, how does that taste? i'm not a big oatmeal person, cream of wheat is about the closest thing i've ever come to liking oatmeal. however...as far as cooking oatmeal and keeping it somewhat healthy, are fruits in it ok as long as it's a morning thing? meaning, i'll be able to burn off the sugars and whatnot in the fruit during the morning and not turn it into fat?

add some high-gi carbs w/ some honey
dextrose or maltodextrin would both work fine
they are both cheap: www.proteinfactory.com

you're saying honey dextrose or maltodextrin will add those carbs, right? that's how i'm reading it.

this meal should be closer to your post workout meal, you PW 2nd meal should be no more than 2hrs pw, so if you're workingout at 9:30, you need this meal (assuming 1hr workout) at about 1pm

gotcha. MWF workout starts at 11 and ends at 12, so PW 2nd meal is 2 hours after, but T TH it's more like 3 hours....i'll get both closer from now on though.

4pm - whey protein shake, lately with a piece of wheat toast and pnut butterall natural PB i assume

no, no ANPB
i'll rectify that problem when i go grocery shopping this weekend. was reading about ANPB in a few of the diet forum threads and made a note to get some this weekend.

I can surely relate to that, kids tend to get so picky

yeah, wait til they're done all the junk food that's currently in the house (and they only get it in moderation).....i'm not buying any more, waste of money...let's seem them be picky then :lol:

between 8-10pm - can of tuna or salmon, on crackers, usually 10 crackers for a whole can of tuna, dry
try to get in some wheat crackers and add 1tbsp. flaxseed oil

flaxseed oil.....obtainable at grocery store?

same as w/ the morning meal, drop milk+banana, add oatmeal 1/2 cup and 1tbsp. all natural peanut butter, and 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg
add, 15g psyllium husk fiber right before bed


psyllium husk fiber obtainable at grocery store?

you have to stop the drinking, wont work properly in the long run

the drinking....the past 2 weeks i've had maybe 1-3 beers during the entire week. i'm not a big drinker anymore, hardly any actually. for me to say i'm only drinking 1-3 beers a week on some weeks, well, to me that's a VERY low number. used to be 6-10 a night a few years back. i understand that i need to drop drinking to build lean body mass. moderation is they key to anything. maybe if i can just set aside one or two nights a month where i can have one or two, that'd be a lot better? this is especially difficult considering that my fiance ordered me a home brew beer kit for xmas, somethign i've been looking foreward to getting for almost 2 years now, as i love more exotic beers but refuse to pay the high price for them, so now i'll be able to brew them on my own. but back to the question.....one or two nights a month to have one or two beers, would you consider that to be decent moderation? i don't even drink to get drunk or a buzz, just for the taste....maybe i can brew a high protien low carb beer with my new kit? could make some money then......

you can get a very cheap price www.proteinfactory.com

will check it out.

take some digestive enzymes and before bed psyllium husk fiber should help a bit

get digestive enzymes from where?

is there anything else you think i should add? i'm not taking anything else, including any anabolic anything. of course, i don't want unnatural results from all of this either, i'd prefer to stay "all natural," even if it takes me twice as long to build up.

is there any good use for creatine? i've looked at it this way....it retains water around muscles, and the heart is a muscle, and i don't think it's safe to retain water around my heart. i was always told by other weight lifters that it wasn't all that great for you, just an unnatural inflation that'll go away when you stop taking it, but the guys i talk to in the gym now, they seem to think it's great stuff, but they aren't even watching their diets period, and can't believe the amount of protein i'm eating a day, they think i'm insane. i found out that Nitro Tech crap was loaded with creatine. i was taking it for about a month, and when i stopped taking it, i lost some of my gains, temporarily, then put it back on as actual muscle within a few weeks.

thanks for you help! if there's anything else you can add, please do. it's greatly appreciated. i'll have to search the board to see where pics can be posted, i've pulled out some nice definition in the past 2 1/2 months, and can't wait to compare the before and after pics in about 6 more months.

once again, thanks!

Mike

 

[Buddy_Christ]

2 more questions, forgot to ask in my reply or origonal post....

is it true that the body can only process an average of 28-32g of protein in about an hour and a half, and any more you take in is just voided out?

and with the new egg mix recipie you gave me, would putting maybe 1/2 scoop of whey protein mix in instead of the extra 2 egg whites and whole egg that you suggested work out evenly, or am i looking at getting different types of protein that will help me in different ways from adding the extra eggs? the egg mix we're discussing would put me up to 1 dz eggs a day, and it'd cost me about the same to just substitute with protein shake mix. i'm semi confused here, and actually, could use some more info. is there a good reference out there, maybe online, that i can read up on to understand what proteins you get from what and how they affect the body in terms of body building? i'm so new to all of this, for the first month or so i figured "protein is protein, as long as i'm getting it and getting enough of it, it doesn't matter where it comes from." even the first few weeks i was lifting, all i wasn't even thinking about diet, didn't think it was important. i've come a long way with all of this in the past few months, amazing actually. i've never looked at all of this so seriously before.

once again, thanks!

 

[Mr.X]

Re: Re: Re: Newbie - requesting diet help - was told to talk to Mr. X

I'm going to assume from all this that you are 160lbs.[/b]

yes, 160lbs currently.

so, currently, you're doing a semi-clean bulking diet 5x a week and cheating 2x a week

i'm not cheating 2x a week, at least not more than any normal day. my weekends, i still take in almost everything i'm taking in during the week, but i start much later, maybe don't drink breakfast until 11am or so and don't drink the late night snack until 2am. i have a hard time eating in the morning, i'm lucky i've been able to drink the milk/egg/bananna mix within an hour of getting out of bed during the week.

drop milk (indigestion and possible bloating, lactose is not a good source), add 2 more whites and 1 more whole egg, drop the 1/2 bannan (fructose is 4x more likely to be stored as fat due to it being 4x more likely to be stored in the liver)
add 1/2 cup oatmeal, you can blend it also
add 1 tbsp. all natural peanut butter

so 2 whole eggs, 4 whites, some ANPB, and some oatmeal, cooked oatmeal i'm assuming, right? yes cooked honestly, how does that taste? scrambles the whites and eat oatmeal w/ some ANPB, should taste fine i'm not a big oatmeal person, cream of wheat is about the closest thing i've ever come to liking oatmeal. however...as far as cooking oatmeal and keeping it somewhat healthy, are fruits in it ok as long as it's a morning thing? I think I stated pretty clearly, drop the bananameaning, i'll be able to burn off the sugars and whatnot in the fruit during the morning and not turn it into fat?just don't eat fruit; eating it will only cause you to think twice about your diet, the 4x more likely to be stored as fat and preventing fat loss by filling the liver w/ glycogen is not my type of food

add some high-gi carbs w/ some honey
dextrose or maltodextrin would both work fine
they are both cheap: www.proteinfactory.com

you're saying honey dextrose or maltodextrin will add those carbs, right? that's how i'm reading it. add either malto or dextrose w/ whey protein and honey - post workout

this meal should be closer to your post workout meal, you PW 2nd meal should be no more than 2hrs pw, so if you're workingout at 9:30, you need this meal (assuming 1hr workout) at about 1pm

gotcha. MWF workout starts at 11 and ends at 12, so PW 2nd meal is 2 hours after, but T TH it's more like 3 hours....i'll get both closer from now on though.

4pm - whey protein shake, lately with a piece of wheat toast and pnut butterall natural PB i assume

no, no ANPB
i'll rectify that problem when i go grocery shopping this weekend. was reading about ANPB in a few of the diet forum threads and made a note to get some this weekend.

I can surely relate to that, kids tend to get so picky

yeah, wait til they're done all the junk food that's currently in the house (and they only get it in moderation).....i'm not buying any more, waste of money...let's seem them be picky then :lol:

between 8-10pm - can of tuna or salmon, on crackers, usually 10 crackers for a whole can of tuna, dry
try to get in some wheat crackers and add 1tbsp. flaxseed oil

flaxseed oil.....obtainable at grocery store?can get online or at the store, usually health food store: proteinfactory has flax powder

same as w/ the morning meal, drop milk+banana, add oatmeal 1/2 cup and 1tbsp. all natural peanut butter, and 2 egg whites and 1 whole egg
add, 15g psyllium husk fiber right before bed


psyllium husk fiber obtainable at grocery store? www.beyond-a-century.com

you have to stop the drinking, wont work properly in the long run

the drinking....the past 2 weeks i've had maybe 1-3 beers during the entire week. i'm not a big drinker anymore, hardly any actually. 3 beers during the week is considered A LOT of beer, anything over 0 is too much for me to say i'm only drinking 1-3 beers a week on some weeks, well, to me that's a VERY low number. used to be 6-10 a night a few years back. i understand that i need to drop drinking to build lean body mass. moderation is they key to anything. maybe if i can just set aside one or two nights a month where i can have one or two, that'd be a lot better?
1-2 nights a mo. where you can have some beers; it's all up to you, I suggest against it

this is especially difficult considering that my fiance ordered me a home brew beer kit for xmas, somethign i've been looking foreward to getting for almost 2 years now, as i love more exotic beers but refuse to pay the high price for them, so now i'll be able to brew them on my own. but back to the question.....one or two nights a month to have one or two beers, would you consider that to be decent moderation? i don't even drink to get drunk or a buzz, just for the taste....maybe i can brew a high protien low carb beer with my new kit? could make some money then......
I consider ANY drinking out of line when dieting

you can get a very cheap price www.proteinfactory.com

will check it out.

take some digestive enzymes and before bed psyllium husk fiber should help a bit

get digestive enzymes from where? online, do a search on google.com or your local health food store

is there anything else you think i should add? i'm not taking anything else, including any anabolic anything. of course, i don't want unnatural results from all of this either, i'd prefer to stay "all natural," even if it takes me twice as long to build up.
what you have now is fine

is there any good use for creatine?
sure, it's up to you to use it
i've looked at it this way....it retains water around muscles, and the heart is a muscle, and i don't think it's safe to retain water around my heart. it DOES NOT retain water around the heart- that's completely false
i was always told by other weight lifters that it wasn't all that great for you, just an unnatural inflation that'll go away when you stop taking it, but the guys i talk to in the gym now, they seem to think it's great stuff, but they aren't even watching their diets period, and can't believe the amount of protein i'm eating a day, they think i'm insane. i found out that Nitro Tech crap was loaded with creatine. i was taking it for about a month, and when i stopped taking it, i lost some of my gains, temporarily, then put it back on as actual muscle within a few weeks.

thanks for you help! if there's anything else you can add, please do. it's greatly appreciated. i'll have to search the board to see where pics can be posted, i've pulled out some nice definition in the past 2 1/2 months, and can't wait to compare the before and after pics in about 6 more months.


Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

is it true that the body can only process an average of 28-32g of protein in about an hour and a half, and any more you take in is just voided out?not one human study to prove that

and with the new egg mix recipie you gave me, would putting maybe 1/2 scoop of whey protein mix in instead of the extra 2 egg whites and whole egg that you suggested work out evenly, or am i looking at getting different types of protein that will help me in different ways from adding the extra eggs? you can add egg white protein, yes, but whey is not equivalent to egg protein
the egg mix we're discussing would put me up to 1 dz eggs a day, and it'd cost me about the same to just substitute with protein shake mix. then you can stick to egg white powder it's fairly cheap, www.proteinfactory.com
i'm semi confused here, and actually, could use some more info. is there a good reference out there, maybe online, that i can read up on to understand what proteins you get from what and how they affect the body in terms of body building? i'm so new to all of this, for the first month or so i figured "protein is protein, as long as i'm getting it and getting enough of it, it doesn't matter where it comes from." even the first few weeks i was lifting, all i wasn't even thinking about diet, didn't think it was important. i've come a long way with all of this in the past few months, amazing actually. i've never looked at all of this so seriously before.
http://www.proteinfactory.com/protein.htm
some good info, click on individual proteins

Mr.X

 

[Buddy_Christ]

what's up with this ANPB thing anyway? i went to the store earlier tonight, they only had one type of ANPB. i picked it up and compared it to the regular stuff. the only 2 differences i saw were the amount of sugars - 3g in regular, 1g in ANPB, and the price...twice as much for the ANPB. i understand cutting sugars is important, but how much difference does 4 or 8g of sugars a day make? honestly, i don't konw, so i'm asking. and is there something else that they're not showing on the label, or does my grocery store just suck and not have anything good?

oh, i tried to mix eggs and oatmeal and pb together and couldn't even eat it. i had to feed it to my dogs. in the morning i'll just cook the oatmeal, add pb, and then cook the eggs and eat them separately. after a 4th reread of your comments, i think that's what i was supposed to do. really, i do have a brain in my head. i do try to use it. i'm on overload, school has me burnt out, so if i'm sitting at home and not doing school work, i try not to think too hard...guess that's why i screwed up that oatmeal mix lol

thanks!

 

[Mr.X]

what's up with this ANPB thing anyway? i went to the store earlier tonight, they only had one type of ANPB. i picked it up and compared it to the regular stuff. the only 2 differences i saw were the amount of sugars - 3g in regular, 1g in ANPB, and the price...twice as much for the ANPB. i understand cutting sugars is important, but how much difference does 4 or 8g of sugars a day make? honestly, i don't konw, so i'm asking. and is there something else that they're not showing on the label, or does my grocery store just suck and not have anything good?
ANPB does not have any hydrogenated oils (BAD FAT!), simple as that: www.google.com search hydrogenated oils

and 8g sugar does make a difference, for it adds up

Mr.X

 

[Buddy_Christ]

ANPB does not have any hydrogenated oils (BAD FAT!), simple as that: www.google.com search hydrogenated oils

and 8g sugar does make a difference, for it adds up

Mr.X

hydrogenated oils....ok....i gotcha. i did see that on the list of ingredients on the regular PB but not on the ANPB. up until a short time ago i didn't think that any fats were good. guess i slept through that part of health class in high school....think that was about 10 years ago. even if i would've payed attention, i prolly would've forgotten by now anyway.

i asked about this in a previous post, but i'll rephrase. any good reads out there that'd teach me a lot of this stuff, but something in terms the average person can understand? i know i could google search for it, however, there's a lot of BS out there and i don't want to end up reading some BS article that sounds good, yet get wrong info, and then screw myself up over it.

This is almost early for me to be asking it, but i should get it out of the way now. in December, i might be down for a month. when i say down, i mean literally, sitting on my ass or laying down all day doing absolutely nothing. reason being....have an appointment with a specialist about the 2 herniated discs in my thoracic spine, and i'm going to be evaluated for another steroid injection into my spine. talk about pain. it hurts. BAD. anyway, the last time they did this to me, i was down and out for months, even doing normal day to day activities was hell. if they do this again, i might end up in the same position, so obviously working out is completely out of the question. IF they decide to inject my spine again and i'm down and out for a month or so, how should i modify my diet? i'm pretty much guessing to start weaning myself off carbs, otherwise they'll turn into fat. like maybe take 2 weeks to reduce my carb intake, because i'll still be growing muscle for at least a week after i stop working out. low fat/carb high protein diet until i'm able to workout again is what i guessed.

i'm just asking this early enough so i'm prepared for if it happens again. on the other hand, i might get lucky and they'll say "no way" after what happened to me the last time, and instead turn around and perscribe me a cycle of an oral. that'd be the only way i'd touch it too...doctor perscribed and 100% legal.

anyway, thanks again. i'm still learning and you're teaching me quite a bit here, and i definetly appreciate it.