Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[MadCow1]

mike Metzler was also on allot of speed( methamphetamines), he was even committed to an insane asylum because of it's abuse.

From what I've heard this is true. Keep in mind that this also fits with the maximum intensity theory in that its use will allow on to train with unbelievable intensity. Not recommended.

 

[jfury27]

Wow this is a great post!!! Hopefully people will see and take the advice. I know some people that do not even compete and they take like a sust every other day!!! I mean people these days think that just because pros do these high ass doses means that they can too. I have been competing now for about 2 years and I dont even take half the shit that these jackasses take. I find the higher in dose I go the more I sides I see and the shittier I look. Especially with test. Well good luck people.
jfury

 

[Texas Ranger]

Check your email again, buddy. If not, check your PM.-TR

 

[Spectre]

Realgains, did they cycle at low doses or did they stay on at those doses? I have only done the first however I can see how staying on at those low doses could build some serious mass.. Do we have apples and oranges here, please clarify.

 

[RdStrcklnd]

realgains, ure a fag dude.

rNg

What is that all about? Realgains give the most informative posts on this board, you should take some time and read them.

 

[BBBodie]

My gal is a Cardiac nurse and she pointed out that 3 of the men listed are or have had Cardiac trouble....of note...Arnold's multi-bypass surgery.....

Hello????? Anyone paying attention????

Too much gear = health problems later....count on it.

Bo

 

[freshr1]

he was probably on high dose of primo and dbols for very long periods. Dunno about GH. Remember that back in the early 80's GH was way too expensive since it wasn't taken from the same source (I believe human cells from dead bodies....not sure).

Arnold was plenty rich even in those days. Hell, he was rich before he competed. He was a self made multimillionare from real-estate. And I'm sure Weider would've pitched in too.

Dbol/primo for Arnold is utter crap. No way that's all he did. Same with the other guys.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Arnold never had bypass surgery, where did this start? He did a few years back go in for a "congenitive" defect in his heart, calling for one of his valves to be replaced with a pig valve. His mother underwent the same surgery earlier in her life. So that's that.

Second all the pro's do not take insane ammounts of juice. I read a thereat on Chad's bord a few days ago with Tom Prince posting. He said flat out that most pro's cycles are about a gram of test with a few hundred milligrams thrown in, maybe an oral also. He said he never had problems gainnig muscle as long as he trained hard and ate enough. And that is what is meant by good genetics. Everyone is so disselusioned by their lack of progress that they do what average poeple do and look on larger bodybuilders and think, "man he must be on an insane ammount" of juice. This follows the layman's logic of saying "if i took steroids i would look like that too". Anyone see the correlation?

 

[mikelong23]

Hey I think it is a good post anyways.

But the question that has not been answered yet is how long were these guys on for, b/c that too does play a big role. 2-3 months or 2-3 years at a time.

 

[Realgains]

Hey I think it is a good post anyways.

But the question that has not been answered yet is how long were these guys on for, b/c that too does play a big role. 2-3 months or 2-3 years at a time.

From what I researched so far they did stay on for long cycles but not all year long for the most part....some did I am sure but most didn't it seems.

I attended a Mike Mentzer seminar was back in 1980 and he confirmed his pre Olympia dose of Deca at 400 per week and 20-30 of d-bol per day.........the guy prided himself on being honest bro's...he hated the bullshit that was going on in pro bodybuilding at that time....he never endorsed any products saying that they made him big .

He made it clear in the seminar that he thought Arnold was a bullshitter and an "blow hard" with a huge inflated ego because people were always asking him about the fude he and Arnold had going. . ...which was true back then for sure. He was pissed with all the pro's then saying that they didn't use roids.... and he told it like it was and always admitted to his roid use.

He ALWAYS said he success was due to a combo of genetics#1 and then proper high intensity training with plenty of rest and good food and then steroids.

If Mentzer said he used 400 of deca and 20-30 of d-bol then that was the truth bro's! Its a damn shame that some on this board cannot accept this....they sure the heck don't know much about Honest Iron Mike.


RG