Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[Realgains]

FONZ.....from my reseach I have found that most of the pro's didn't pop the d-bol like candy although a few did namely Dave Johns for one.....he died of liver cancer at a young age too at around 35 I think.

Remember when Arnold voiced his opinion on the amount of gear being used lately by the pro's? This was about 5 years ago I think, maybe less.....he was not impressed to say the least. He said todays pro's take "far far more than we used to"

RG

 

[Big-Puncher]

All I have to say is excellent post RealGains. Absolutely excellent. Where were you when I did my first cycle, even though I have only done 2. My first cycle was 500mg sust and 50mg winny ED, sust for 12 weeks and winny for weeks 6-12.

 

[The Terminator]

The following I got from Nelson Montana.

ARNOLD
He reported liked 600 of primo and 50 of d-bol per day.

SERGIO
This huge bro used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny per day.

FRANK ZANE
Frank likeed 100 of deca and 100 of primo and was know to use a little thyroid as well.

DAVE DRAPER
Dave used 25 of winny per day way back in the late 60's

LARRY SCOTT
Larry used 10 of d-bol in divided doses per day. This was considered a large dose back in the mid 60's

Now all these guys are bigger than 95% of the members of this board I am sure and if they didn't need large doses then why do you?
Do what they did......be a lifter first and then use a little roid as a SUPPLEMENT.

I don't think I buy that these doses as being the absolute truth just because Nelson Montana has stated so. While I do think most guys use too much right from the get go, does anyone really believe Sergio built that physique with 200 mg/deca and 20 mg/winny...and Zane, or any of them, I don't think I believe that. Recently Lee Priest said all he uses is like 400 mg/primo and one oral...c'mon now...

 

[Realgains]

TERMINATOR...

I have researched the same as Nelson but thought I would give him some credit as he got me going on the whole thing.

Why did Arnold say what he said about todays doses?

AND......Mike Mentzer was honest to a fault. He told everything the way it was bro thats for sure. He published his pre Olympia cycle in good faith and I believe he was telling the truth.

RG

 

[The Terminator]

Well I am sure that today's top guys are using FAR more than anyone ever even thought of 30 years ago, but look at the differences in physiques, pro BB's used to be good looking men 25 years ago, they look like circus freaks now...but I don't think anyone will ever know for sure exactly what they took except themselves. I seriously doubt they will ever come out and give exact cycles.

 

[freshr1]

References? I always find these posts hilarious. 10-20 dbol a day with some deca? lol.

Why would a pro ever reveal his real stack to anyone? Especially someone like Arnold. He's got no reason to, and he's ALWAYS downplayed his AAS use. In one interview he said he dabbled with them, but found they don't work that well. You believe that too? And have you seen Arnold's forehard and the gap in his teeth? Caused by primo huh? Think about it. This was back in the day when the juice flowed freely, there was little research, and no laws against it. Why would they limit their use to reasonable doses?

In fact, I've heard the exact opposite. I heard Arnold was on tons of juice and tried everything, including hGH from cadavers (before they could synthesise it). But who really knows? All I know is that no matter how much you train, or how awesome your diet it, you're not gonna look like any of those pros with 300mg of deca and a few tabs of dbol a day.

 

[Realgains]

References? I always find these posts hilarious. 10-20 dbol a day with some deca? lol.

Why would a pro ever reveal his real stack to anyone? Especially someone like Arnold. He's got no reason to, and he's ALWAYS downplayed his AAS use. In one interview he said he dabbled with them, but found they don't work that well. You believe that too? And have you seen Arnold's forehard and the gap in his teeth? Caused by primo huh? Think about it. This was back in the day when the juice flowed freely, there was little research, and no laws against it. Why would they limit their use to reasonable doses?

In fact, I've heard the exact opposite. I heard Arnold was on tons of juice and tried everything, including hGH from cadavers (before they could synthesise it). But who really knows? All I know is that no matter how much you train, or how awesome your diet it, you're not gonna look like any of those pros with 300mg of deca and a few tabs of dbol a day.

Bro Arnold had that gap between his teeth since he was 14....check out the old photo's of his very early years. Perhaps he did use GH though...Arnold never really came out and said what his doses were but Mike Mentzer did.
Mentzer was no bullshitter and prided himself on telling things like they were. I will try to find his Heavy Duty Journal booklet where he says he used 400 of deca and 20-30 of d-bol in prep for the 80 Olympia.

RG

 

[Fonz]

Bro Arnold had that gap between his teeth since he was 14....check out the old photo's of his very early years. Perhaps he did use GH though...Arnold never really came out and said what his doses were but Mike Mentzer did.
Mentzer was no bullshitter and prided himself on telling things like they were. I will try to find his Heavy Duty Journal booklet where he says he used 400 of deca and 20-30 of d-bol in prep for the 80 Olympia.

RG

Mike Mentzer I definately believe.

That guy trained like an animal.

But Arnold? No.

He took more than dball and Primo for sure.

Fonz

 

[manny78]

Mike Mentzer I definately believe.

That guy trained like an animal.

But Arnold? No.

He took more than dball and Primo for sure.

Fonz

he was probably on high dose of primo and dbols for very long periods. Dunno about GH. Remember that back in the early 80's GH was way too expensive since it wasn't taken from the same source (I believe human cells from dead bodies....not sure).

 

[Fonz]

he was probably on high dose of primo and dbols for very long periods. Dunno about GH. Remember that back in the early 80's GH was way too expensive since it wasn't taken from the same source (I believe human cells from dead bodies....not sure).

Yep.

And he also had heart bypass surgery not long ago.

That to me shows definate androgen abuse(probably dball)

Fonz