never front loaded deca until now

[HAYEZ]

have to say i like it...3 injects in already getting the bloaty full feeling and shoulders starting to perk up hahaha

3000mg in 3 shots so far haha

loving my cycle so far even tho just began..im doing a lean bulker cutter whatever that means

1000 test ew 2.5 weeks in
500 deca ew
tren 50mg ed for past 2 weeks

2 weeks dropped from 36 pants to 33 pants 5 10 weight 224 to 212 right now before cycle
goals 220 by end and droppin a few lbs fat still...killin shit..24 miles cardio yestrday

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

how old are you??? wish u the beast pof health, i researched some of your past cycles experiences!!! two 19 nors, your asking for trouble... front loading deca?!?! 3
g.... doesnt common sence ever play a role in your guys cycles????

 

[HAYEZ]

and lets see your scientific evidence to back up using deca and tren in cycles with the harsh effects it has?
id loveeee to see them...oh ya there is none..go play with ur 250mg test ew

if u did any research u would know that deca and tren is quite common and especially if your on trt then there is no effects..

front loading only peaks levels faster..your not getting all 3000mg readily avail right away...again do ur research..

my total chol was under 140
my bp 100/66
32 been cycling 8 years or so on straight for 5
now get some experince in cycling then run your mouth because if you did know u would of never posted this

 

[blue_steel74]

I can't be nice so now I get an infraction and next time i get banned

 

[HAYEZ]

Hayez, ur an idiot and ur gna get bad gyno. Good luck with this stupid ass cycle. BTW, if u were gonna front load properly, u shouldve started with deca and brought the tren in later. And good luck using ur penis LMAO

hahaha gyno..haha dick working?haha deca then tren? i love u guys and ur vast wealth of knowledge..go read a book

first of all the tren is for nothing other then a workout boost while im waiting for the test and deca to kick in
second i dont need an ai nor do i need caber or bromo..i can run 1200 test 800 deca and 700 tren and need nothing..thanks for your concern over my penis functions but i actually like the tren deca mix because fucking for 2 hours without cumming not only breaks girls confidence it also gets u porn star status within there friend group...

 

[lartinos]

i like tren, deca bloats me bad sometimes.

 

[Blissfam10]

fucking for 2 hours without cumming not only breaks girls confidence it also gets u porn star status within there friend group...[/QUOTE]

Lmfao

 

[thebigoz]

thanks for your concern over my penis functions but i actually like the tren deca mix because fucking for 2 hours without cumming not only breaks girls confidence it also gets u porn star status within there friend group...

bam!

 

[jester72]

Really have to question (and laugh) when newbs start giving HAYEZ advice!

 

[CSB]

Hayez i like it have run similar , never frontloaded deca , but have frontloaded eq at 2400mg a week, not that it did much lol (i am not a fan of eq find it a complete waste for me)

did you consider running npp alongside long acting deca for the first 4 weeks instead of frontloading the deca ?

 

[aj13]

I wanna here need2's say on this. I'm not getting involved but it does seem kinda excessive..

 

[ledhead]

hahaha gyno..haha dick working?haha deca then tren? i love u guys and ur vast wealth of knowledge..go read a book

first of all the tren is for nothing other then a workout boost while im waiting for the test and deca to kick in
second i dont need an ai nor do i need caber or bromo..i can run 1200 test 800 deca and 700 tren and need nothing..thanks for your concern over my penis functions but i actually like the tren deca mix because fucking for 2 hours without cumming not only breaks girls confidence it also gets u porn star status within there friend group...

I agree, since when can't you take deca and tren together? I done it before, they work well togeher. Since when are there certain drugs to take with other drugs? You can take any compounds together and diet and train according to your goals... I like your cycle Hayez...

Besides everyone reacts different to different compounds...

 

[CSB]

I wanna here need2's say on this. I'm not getting involved but it does seem kinda excessive..

its each to his own hey, people have different views and different bodies and people react differently to various compounds and dosage strengths, this is largely dictated by experience, how many cycles one has done, and genetics and how one reacts to things and certain dosages, just because one individual will gain 20lbs in 6 weeks off 50mg ed anadrol, another might only make that type of progress on 100mg, some peples bodies handle sides better , some can run mammoth cycles and still recover no worse for wear, while others can run half that and blow there recovery completly.

this is where experience comes in, and this is why we start with one compound moderate dosage like test and as the cycles and years progress we learn our bodies and hopefully in the healthiest way possible we decide sides / health results and what we are prepared to do and sacrfice for those goals.

Nelson has 1 viewpoint, 1 he has taken from many more years experience than most of us , he stands from a holistic (sorry i am assuming alot here nelson ) approach one that has led him to a good age (i wont say senior lol) with good health and looks many years younger than he is.and that will dictate his advise , it might not be always correct for my goals , then on the other hand someone like hayez will take a more radical approach that has worked for him, because i have run similar i might find i lend myself more to that advise because its more intune with where i want to go and what risks i find acceptable and based on knowledge i have garnered over the years on my body.

whos right or wrong, neither, its how you translate and how it translates to your health goals and life.

I dont feel the cycle is excessive , i find it a highish dose yes

 

[ledhead]

its each to his own hey, people have different views and different bodies and people react differently to various compounds and dosage strengths, this is largely dictated by experience, how many cycles one has done, and genetics and how one reacts to things and certain dosages, just because one individual will gain 20lbs in 6 weeks off 50mg ed anadrol, another might only make that type of progress on 100mg, some peples bodies handle sides better , some can run mammoth cycles and still recover no worse for wear, while others can run half that and blow there recovery completly.

this is where experience comes in, and this is why we start with one compound moderate dosage like test and as the cycles and years progress we learn our bodies and hopefully in the healthiest way possible we decide sides / health results and what we are prepared to do and sacrfice for those goals.

Nelson has 1 viewpoint, 1 he has taken from many more years experience than most of us , he stands from a holistic (sorry i am assuming alot here nelson ) approach one that has led him to a good age (i wont say senior lol) with good health and looks many years younger than he is.and that will dictate his advise , it might not be always correct for my goals , then on the other hand someone like hayez will take a more radical approach that has worked for him, because i have run similar i might find i lend myself more to that advise because its more intune with where i want to go and what risks i find acceptable and based on knowledge i have garnered over the years on my body.

whos right or wrong, neither, its how you translate and how it translates to your health goals and life.

I dont feel the cycle is excessive , i find it a highish dose yes

I agree, everyone is on this bandwagon that deca is going to automatically shut you down, I took it at least 10 times and it never shut me down. Tren however, rocked my world.. shut me down for a long ass time. Everyone reacts different to dfferent compounds. My friend just can't take winny tabs, they screw him up, his liver vals and lipids hit the roof in an abnormal way, I love winny, it never does that to me..

 

[gstacker]

Hayez has ran deca an tren many times so he knows how he will react to it.... He's not suggesting noobs go do this he's just sharing his experience front loading..... Some people need to stfu and keep there eyes an ears open and they might actually pick up on something.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Hayez, ur an idiot and ur gna get bad gyno. Good luck with this stupid ass cycle. BTW, if u were gonna front load properly, u shouldve started with deca and brought the tren in later. And good luck using ur penis LMAO

Calm down, fair enough if you dont agree with his cycle layout...but insulting him will get you time-out or banned.
Thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^exactly.. if you disagree then say why and post up.. the forum is for debate. but treat each other with respect, that person who you insult on here might be that dude at the gym who you ask for a spot tonight .. you would be surprised how many people at your gym read EF.

 

[kc17]

I wanna here need2's say on this. I'm not getting involved but it does seem kinda excessive..

Lol ... If you do a search you'll find a few of need2's cycle?
Experience is something that comes with time and knowledge..
I personally love Deca ...

 

[stevesmi]

both deca and tren are great AAS however not for newbs. you need to know what you are doing. and your first run with either should be very light so you can see what kind of effects you get. i personally did not like the long recovery from deca so i will never touch the stuff again, if i want to go that route ever again i will go with NPP

hayez stays on so he can be aggressive and not worry about his recovery, notice that he said he does a lot of cardio and hence he keeps a healthy heart.. this is very important for longevity. keep a healthy heart, liver and kidney's

 

[Judo Tom]

i love frontloading! Ill do it with anything I can that doesnt have risks associated w/ front loading.. but for most long acting esters its the way to go for me!

 

[ledhead]

^^^exactly.. if you disagree then say why and post up.. the forum is for debate. but treat each other with respect, that person who you insult on here might be that dude at the gym who you ask for a spot tonight .. you would be surprised how many people at your gym read EF.

LOl...very true, I know a few dudes that come on here and just float around. I say," I never heard of it, but I'll check it out some day."

 

[stevesmi]

^^ i see several guys at the gym with bb.com shirts. blah .. amateurs lol

 

[HAYEZ]

i am lucky enough to not have to deal with the sides deca causes others..i never really feel it effected me any diff then test did..during pct ya always feel in a slump..but i always recovered well from my pcts..my test lvels were still mid 600s when i decided to stay on

frontloading 3000mg of deca in 10 days is not crap..starting next shot and from then on till end is 600mg perweek..why wait until week 4 for gains if they come in week 2? im only running the deca to week 8 anyways..thast when my gains stop so i will cut if off...week 10 drop the tesxt to 300 ew and cruise for 6 weeks then do it again..tren only running 6 weeks

 

[lartinos]

Hayez is a big boy, no need to ban him for this. Good to warn him though..

 

[HAYEZ]

Hayez is a big boy, no need to ban him for this. Good to warn him though..

haha people get a bit to sensitive around these parts...ef is a good site...wish there was a few more big juicers around but o well..another few years they be messing around a lil bigger doses..my cycles now days are very mild compared to back in the day..have not ran a big cycle in years

 

[zack!!!]

hey hayez have you ever ran front loaded with eq befor if so how did you find it ?.... im about to go back on in a month an iv never front loaded befor so i was thinking of trying it with test e an eq

 

[Judo Tom]

what eq dose were you planning on running and frontloading.. eq is one of the things i didnt like too much when i front loaded at 2x my weekly dosage.. was a bit to much and got hit w/ a litle anxiety. i just did 1.5x my dose for 3weeks..

 

[SouthernLord]

OMG Hayez!!!!!!

Tren and deca together!!!!!!!!1

Your dick is gonna fall off and and your b cup is gonna grow to a d cup!!!!!!

Hahaha

Good luck bro. Stay in one piece bro

 

[HAYEZ]

hahahahhaha well my cycles coming along well for just starting..i am cutting up and filling out..comments are coming back randomly from people...dick has not fallen off yet..my breasts are only to a size c right now but im thinking dressing drag may pay better then sales so im a go with it hahaha

 

[HAYEZ]

hey hayez have you ever ran front loaded with eq befor if so how did you find it ?.... im about to go back on in a month an iv never front loaded befor so i was thinking of trying it with test e an eq

i hate eq i have to take xanaxs just to do eq so im no help there

 

[burnthiscorpse]

i am lucky enough to not have to deal with the sides deca causes others..i never really feel it effected me any diff then test did..during pct ya always feel in a slump..but i always recovered well from my pcts..my test lvels were still mid 600s when i decided to stay on

frontloading 3000mg of deca in 10 days is not crap..starting next shot and from then on till end is 600mg perweek..why wait until week 4 for gains if they come in week 2? im only running the deca to week 8 anyways..thast when my gains stop so i will cut if off...week 10 drop the tesxt to 300 ew and cruise for 6 weeks then do it again..tren only running 6 weeks

HAYEZ, nice to see you overcame injuries and shit and are back at it. Last time I was around much(before my own injury issues) I remember you werent having such a good time.
I love deca too. I felt great. Joints felt great. The only downer for me is it takes me about 6 months to recover from it (no trt yet), and I get some nasty cystic type zits on my lower back after about 6 weeks.
Keep us updated bro and stay injury free this time

 

[Deltoid_87]

I like Hayez big cycles and I always enjoy reading his threads.. seems theres a few too many bitches who try to sound smart by knockin him an giving the old lecture on how its gonna effect his health and just shut up lol the guys obviously got a lot of experience and u seriously don't know what goes on in the rest of the world outside the forums and the more common doses people run with less experience.

I love me some deca.. not sure id frontload like that.. but 500 - 750mg a week is sweet.
Tren sides hit me hard tho and I won't run it again.

hey Hayez u like Tren, and u like eq... U should try 1-test cyp (Dihydroboldenone) I'm running it now at 800mg. 2 an half weeks in I'm hard as fuck already and strength is up. Seems like some pretty fast acting shit.

 

[UA_Iron]

I personally hate the way both deca and tren make me feel. Progestins just make me feel bleh.

I like the doses though - solid.

Did I read that right? 24 miles cardio? How tall are you?

 

[zack!!!]

what eq dose were you planning on running and frontloading.. eq is one of the things i didnt like too much when i front loaded at 2x my weekly dosage.. was a bit to much and got hit w/ a litle anxiety. i just did 1.5x my dose for 3weeks..

1000 mg .iv run eq only once befor an didnt suffer from any anxiety was there any thing els you didnt like about it ??

 

[Judo Tom]

nope i love eq but if i front load at 1000mg a week i get a bit sketchy lol.. so i only frontload at 1.5mg. I love it. good quality gains. very little bloat. a bit of a bump in appetite as i try to take in over 5k good cals a day so every little bit helps.

Good Luck

 

[zack!!!]

whats the most affective way to front load ??

 

[UA_Iron]

whats the most affective way to front load ??

2x weekly dose for 2 weeks

500mg/week cycle is done 1000mg/week for the first two weeks

 

[lartinos]

Over 600 mg's EQ can give me anxiety.
Deca and tren frontload is not for newbs or beginners.

 

[thelocal]

me and hayez would get along great lol

 

[HAYEZ]

me and hayez would get along great lol

hahhahahha

 

[the_alcatraz]

I've said it before bro, waaaay too much lol to each his own

 

[RADAR]

Over 600 mg's EQ can give me anxiety.
Deca and tren frontload is not for newbs or beginners.

NOPE! But its Cake & ice cream to me

 

[HAYEZ]

lovvvinnnggggg this cycle...ending the tren this week now i upped the deca to 750 keeping test at 1000...wish i could run it 1200/1000 but no more $$$$$$$$$$ to spend lol..so far no probs..bp perfect..had 3 zits on my back but beyond that good to go
5th week in

 

[zedhed]

Hey bro would love to see your workout numbers at start and now man.

 

[HAYEZ]

I cant really lift heavy to be honest..my shoulder probs and ripped pec and delt i only do moderalte weights..just increase reps and increase frequncy..no more days of heavy lifting suxs