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My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

Fatties unite!!!! Tell me guys what it's like to be over 15% and have a belly? Neer had one before......since I have increased cals, by stomach will get bigger, but I'd never be over 12%.....just wondering.
 
The more muscle you're carrying then the more ab fat you can carry without its looking like a belly, so long as you don't bend over. Most guys carrying appreciable muscle don't really have a belly, as such, below about 25% BF.
 
JKurz1 said:
Fatties unite!!!! Tell me guys what it's like to be over 15% and have a belly? Neer had one before......since I have increased cals, by stomach will get bigger, but I'd never be over 12%.....just wondering.
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what's it like to have a severe mental and eating disorder - so accelerated that you can't even take a "little" advice from some of the most respected members here (Quad)?

To go along with that is an actual "arrogance" that has simply turned everyone away.............

I'd rather be 40%BF than be in your shoes...........
 
a creed said:
what's it like to have a severe mental and eating disorder - so accelerated that you can't even take a "little" advice from some of the most respected members here (Quad)?

To go along with that is an actual "arrogance" that has simply turned everyone away.............

I'd rather be 40%BF than be in your shoes...........
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Ummm no you wouldnt......2 months ago, before therapy I'd say you might.....but since then, I still may make some dumb posts, but it's also just because I am concerned with my body.........
 
bro, if you were concerned with your body - you wouldn't count a (1) fukin calorie until you got out of that "anorexic" weight range you're in.

The fact that you STILL break-down everything you eat means either:

1.) Your therapist sux
2.) You haven't even BEGUN step (1)
 
a creed said:
bro, if you were concerned with your body - you wouldn't count a (1) fukin calorie until you got out of that "anorexic" weight range you're in.

The fact that you STILL break-down everything you eat means either:

1.) Your therapist sux
2.) You haven't even BEGUN step (1)
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I love it. Finally people are starting to see the reality of this thread. My god it has dysfunctional written all over it. Anyways, I'm done. It is obvious I'm not alone with my thoughts. Thanks to those that are putting this thread where it needs to be. In the nuthouse. Hey Jkurz, I can see why Mikey T is your avi. He is just as fucked up as you. Later BRO!!
 
You're telling me you've gained (4) LBS since AUGUST????!!!!!

Go take a deuce - you'll be right where you were.......

I beginning to think you are just fukin' with everyone here.............

Grow up......
 
My Quest to COMPETE - BEAT THE DISEASE!

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**MODS** PLEASE DON'T MOVE AS THIS HAS AS MUCH TO DO WITH AAS THAN IT DOES DIET AND TRAINING.


Well I know many of you and many have helped me out more than you can imagine. I know I’ve pissed some off, frustered the hell out of others, and some have no idea about my history, but after a zillion im’s, everything from PLEASE START A LOG, to hows my cutting diet, I’ve decided to try one last time to start a log to track my progress.
I listen fairly well, so I do love constructive critisim. If this turns into a slam fest, it will be my last time, and I’ll move on to try to accomplish this feat with the helop of a specialist. Long story short, I have or am in the process of killing a eating disorder. In college, 10 years ago, I was a stud. Honestly. Not to boast, but I was a BMOC. I was a outside linebacker (ok, div III, but still), about 245, at 6’1 and maybe 12-13% (abs visibible laying down etc)….I just ate. I trained heavy. And I partied with the best of them. I ran some dumb cycles, pct was unheard of, and made some pretty good gains. Benching 375 in my lst set for a few…squatting ATF with 3+ plates for 12…..good strength. Well, I graduated and quickly found myself behind a desk, as a CPA for 8-10+ hours a day. Coming from an athetic backround, this killed me, I started reading and reading and reading everything about diet and I was terrified now of getting fat because I sat all day. So I started eating small meals a day, doing cardio 7 days a week in the am, training 7 days a week in the pm, no gear, all I thought I needed was boatloads of protein. I then did a few triatholons, stepped on the scale a few years later and was 190. Same height, but I HAD ABS! I became een more concerned with losing them. So I apparently cut my cals even more. And more. And more and here I am. A victim of exercise nervousa, where I wouldn’t eat jack if I didn’t know or hadn’t worked out that day.

Well, to stop with the boredom I am still a CPA still sitting all day, more knowledgeable then even on diet and training, but applying them to myself is what is killing me. I had my test levels checked and they came back off the charts low. This scared me even more as the more I read the more I learned that low test = fat storage even if you are active. So, the doc put me on Androderm weened me off and it did nothing. So I decided a few weeks ago to take matters nto my own hands. I was/am depressed, sick, weak, etc. I went from375 bench to 275. Then 200, then 175 and before I knew it, 5 sets of 5 at 135 is tough!

SO, I met this trainer, nationally known, who looked at me a few weeks ago and said “You could compete at the local level buddy, but right now, you are in a state that I’ve never witnessed before” BUT I HAVE ABS! Yes he said, and so do ethopians. You are 6’1, you should be 180lbs just to be normal. I weighed in today at 162lbs and refuse to have my bf tested as I know it’s low, very low. So low that my hands and feet turn numb, my back aches. My stomach aches, etc.

So he said would you give me a shot. Sure I said, but what the hell does he want with me? Anyways, it’s now his project. To get me on stage, to beat this disorder and to turn me back into the guy I once was. So here we go. I’ll post the diet he wants me to follow to a tee. It’s been one full week and I am struggling mentally and physically. I am eating cals in an ungodly amount, for me anyeays. Prob.4x as much as I was, but I am not permitted to count the macros. I will post my daily routine, feelings, etc and would love to hear from you guys to keep me on track. Ill ask questions to help get me over the hump, to fight through it, but losing the ABS, getting blurred out in the definition area is so depressing, esp. when I still do cardio, so that’s why I need you guys: Day #1 starts semi today, and all out tomorrow (Today is my scheduled off day!)
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I forgot what is the disease?


Kurtz,


Absolutely

NO MORE PICTURES,

Looks like Dachau or Auschwitz

or some other Nazi concentration camp pictures


Ouch



Eat a fricken big mac or something, and where a

t-shirt, don’t let anyone, especially little children see those abs.
 
someday you'll see an outline of yours through the 4 layers a chub.....wait no u won't. thnk god I don't have that pooch chub lol ....abs are diced
 
A Creed, you are a funny mother fucker!!

JKurz if you think your fat in that picture and think your 12%BF your crazier than I thought! If your 12% then I'm 75%!

I thought you were going to start eating everything in site and not looking in the mirror and not counting every fucking almond you take in?

Get back in therapy bro, inpatient for at least 30 days is what you need!
 
JKurz1 said:
someday you'll see an outline of yours through the 4 layers a chub.....wait no u won't. thnk god I don't have that pooch chub lol ....abs are diced
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I know you're in denial, so your response will be arrogantly defensive, (try to post otherwise), but you are 110% anorexic, and I'm NOT joking.

Why this thread was never locked has to be because it's like a car-wreck.
 
I'm not aneorxic I eat 3700 trust me maybe I need no cardio annd 5k but not anerexic.....im tring man I'm trying.....when u rnt hungry it very hard
 
JKurz1 said:
I'm not aneorxic I eat 3700 trust me maybe I need no cardio annd 5k but not anerexic.....im tring man I'm trying.....when u rnt hungry it very hard
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Do us a favor:


Eat all your meals from Take Out/Fast Food and don't workout (aerobic/weights) for 4 weeks and we'll take you seriously............

Otherwise - GET HELP
 
u pay for them......im in no one takes u seriously creeed.....ur an internet goof u don't train we know that much if it bothers u so much quit posting geezus cmon do something else
 
JKurz1 said:
u pay for them......im in no one takes u seriously creeed.....ur an internet goof u don't train we know that much if it bothers u so much quit posting geezus cmon do something else
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Grow up kid,.........like others before me; I'm done posting on this thread.
 
56 fucking pages! dude just eat, take a weight gainer, do something. when you can no longer see your abs then you can start counting your calories. that 165lb bean pole you call a body aint fat.

your quest to compete is about as realistic as my quest to grow a vagina for thoes lonely nites. aint gona happen.
 
is that 3700 calories over 10 days? 370 per day, i don't know...seems a bit high.

i hope you're running at least 6 miles a day if you're going to take in that many calories.
 
someday you'll see an outline of yours through the 4 layers a chub.....wait no u won't. thnk god I don't have that pooch chub lol ....abs are diced
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I can see your ribs, liver, kidneys, all internal organs,


But NO MUSCLE, you don’t have any muscle, abs infers muscle over the stomach, not skin and bone, not a rib cage,

that picture of your abs, is a picture of a corpse
 
jackangel said:
is that 3700 calories over 10 days? 370 per day, i don't know...seems a bit high.

i hope you're running at least 6 miles a day if you're going to take in that many calories.
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3700 a day bro....and increasing...up 5 lbs since last week.....yow...
 
solidspine said:
I can see your ribs, liver, kidneys, all internal organs,


But NO MUSCLE, you don’t have any muscle, abs infers muscle over the stomach, not skin and bone, not a rib cage,

that picture of your abs, is a picture of a corpse
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cmon...lil harsh....it's fatter since last time up in weight and strengt increasing daily.....doesnt look like muscle because of 6% bf but I'm beginning to not be coined as a skinny runner....moving into the bodybuilding relm...hell, many dudes are 6'2 175.....hope to be 200 shortly...

Don't you think I should just do whatever it takes to get to 200.........if I'm on gear, it'll be a olot of muscle....hell eat nonstop? I should whip out the bars all 10 cases huh?
 
JKurz1 said:
cmon...lil harsh....it's fatter since last time up in weight and strengt increasing daily.....doesnt look like muscle because of 6% bf but I'm beginning to not be coined as a skinny runner....moving into the bodybuilding relm...hell, many dudes are 6'2 175.....hope to be 200 shortly...

Don't you think I should just do whatever it takes to get to 200.........if I'm on gear, it'll be a olot of muscle....hell eat nonstop? I should whip out the bars all 10 cases huh?
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I'll be sincere with you guys. The last 6 weeks I have been in therapy. I'm not drugged up (legally) and have my head on str8. Or str8er. My appetite has been nothing, due to the depression, drugs, etc. I've kept up with my marathon type training and have eaten pretty normal (for americans) these last few weeks. That was the hardest part. HOWEVER, I'm back now and rrready to go. I need some adivice on what to do. Do I jump right back on my clean bulking plan of 3500 cals? I've prob. taken in 2800 the last few weeks with no change in scale and weights in the gym have been amazingly pretty steady. I am back on hrt of 250mg....I stopped it for a little bit just out need. Felt like shit too.....so gimme a hand. I know these are only ab shots, but are you telling me I'm still under 8% or so after no cardio and eating only 2800 (clean of course) a day? I know I dont look healthy, but it's coming back.
 
come on man 2800 calories the last few weeks each day?thats 450 calories 6 times a day
A glass of whole milk and 2 table spoons of peanut butter has 450 calories and thats what you consider a meal?
Your back to eating like a freaking bird..

2800 calories is not jack hell 4000 calories is not jack ether with your body.
you think 3500 calories is a bulker what a joke.

i doubt steroids are the solution to anything for you.Falling off track and eating like a bird is your problem .

I'll say it once then i'll prob never post on this thread again 5000 to 6000 calories eat it gain weight if you dont then stop bitching no one wants to hear about it.becuase you didnt even try in my book.

if you post one more silly excuse i think i'll puke.Like oh i dont wanna get fat please spare us the bullshit stuff your face lift and make gains or sit in the corner and be quit.

if you cant handle eating that much or cant seem to find the time then bodybuilding is not for you.Its for guys that make the time.
 
Vascular Freak said:
oh no...this thread again??? WTF
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Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully depleted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg eq, 50mg proviron) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
 
JKurz1 said:
Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully depleted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , 50mg proviron) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
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your down to 150 again. Dude come on man.. YOu need someone that you can talk to. WHo cares about abs
 
this is fucking hilarious...I think he's actually LOST weight since the last "bulker"....so much for that 100cals over maintence is plenty theory. Sure need that juice to get over 160lbs eh????
 
Neo22 said:
your down to 150 again. Dude come on man.. YOu need someone that you can talk to. WHo cares about abs
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guess none of you heard I was in the emergency room and then the hosiptal for the last 4+ weeks, slipped into a 8 hour coma with a blood sugar of 21 and was reassustated 2 times.....left the hospital at 135lbs, but it's all fun and game right...

And faiz....FUCK you you sack of shit....red karma cause you are a fuckin puss....
 
JKurz1 said:
guess none of you heard I was in the emergency room and then the hosiptal for the last 4+ weeks, slipped into a 8 hour coma with a blood sugar of 21 and was reassustated 2 times.....left the hospital at 135lbs, but it's all fun and game right...

And faiz....FUCK you you sack of shit....red karma cause you are a fuckin puss....
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go eat! dude im afraid if the wind picks up your bullemic ass will fly away with leaves
 
JKurz1 said:
guess none of you heard I was in the emergency room and then the hosiptal for the last 4+ weeks, slipped into a 8 hour coma with a blood sugar of 21 and was reassustated 2 times.....left the hospital at 135lbs, but it's all fun and game right...
And faiz....FUCK you you sack of shit....red karma cause you are a fuckin puss....
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whoose fault is this? not ours.. we told you on like 6 boards to eat and you refused too.. so live and learn
 
this thread is like Elvis, Tupac, or cockroaches after the nuclear armegeddon. You think its dead but still it keeps on appearing. Gotta love it
 
Goddamn bro. At this point you've got people congratulating you for even eating.

Bro, you gotta stop obsessing about yourself. I don't think I've ever seen someone so self-absorbed. Find yourself another hobby or you're going to wind up on that Intervention tv show. All you bros staying onboard for this and continuing to calculate splits and diets with this guy are contributing to his problem.

Sorry to bump the thread but I don't think it was going anywhere anyway :rolleyes:

I wish you luck. Get off the juice and stop training.
 
wHO IS OBSESSION, i WAS JUST GIVING AN UPDATE....I was eating, trust me....but when something terminal is wrong, is doesnt fucking matter.......thank you for all the pms from the people who know people in the med field, because moist others dont nderstaand....in laymens terms....if someone has AIDS and you tell them to stop having sex now and they will get better, is that gonna help??? Cmon....I just thought d share what was going on, but I'll stop and you can lock the thread...as much as some of you belittle me...I have no hard feelings towards anyone...Im gettinmg better, up 15 lbs since leaving the hospital, eating well, switchjed to am training, was put on a mild dose on paxil and xananax and seeking therapy once a week....I'll be ok...pm me if you want to chat, other than that, I'll let you guys be. I'm sorry for the disruption.

One a side note, no aas, opiate use, drug use, is done by me unless rx'd by my doc...now, its eating, resting, eating, training and I PROIMISSEEE YOU....I will be on stage in 18 months...PROMISE....for my grandfather....will I win? Prob. not, but i will do my best.........this can be done w/o getting fat....
 
Boy....how I need to print this off and save it.......rehab is the best thing I could have done....I'm close to a 300 bench again, well 265 touch and go no spot and my weight is about 190........thats what 60lbs....I want to laugh but I really vant cause I know someone out there will read this who is suffering........
 
JKurz1 said:
Boy....how I need to print this off and save it.......rehab is the best thing I could have done....I'm close to a 300 bench again, well 265 touch and go no spot and my weight is about 190........thats what 60lbs....I want to laugh but I really vant cause I know someone out there will read this who is suffering........
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Glad to hear you are doing better!
 
crazy friggn shit....I just bench 305 again yesterday and weighed in at 205....if this isnt come back of the year, nothing is.....I mean look at July...I was benching 1555 and weighing a buck 50 wet.....lol.........plus my first show back is only 8 months, cant wait
 
JKurz1 said:
OH and he says it’s MANDATORY FOR ME TO HAVE 2 CHEAT MEALS A WEEK. TWO FROM FRIDAY – SUNDAY – WHATEVER I WANT, HOW EVER MUCH I WANT, I SHOULD FEEL MY HR INCREASE, TEMP. INCREASE, SWEATING, ETC. THIS MAY E THE HARDEST PART!



TODAY! THE NEW BEGINNING
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 16TH, 2006

SCHEDULED OFF DAY, MAN I HATE THESE DAY! ARE THEY REALLY THAT NECESSARY??? LOL

YESTERDAY TOOK MY 125MG OF CYP, 125MG OF EQ, AIMF

WEDNESDAY

530am
WAKE AND 30 MINUTES OF REALITIVELY LIGT CARDIO, 2.8-3.2 SPEED, 12% GRADE INCLINE WALK FOLLOWED BY ABS, AND A FULL CYBEX CIRCUIT OF 15 REPS, EVERYBODYPART, JUST TO GET THE BLOOD MOVING AS I KNEW TODAY WOULD BE NO TRAINING!

7:15
Decided since I am off, and resting, I will reduce my carb intake, and increase fats which many people do – is this dumb? He said he would give me an off day diet, but I am certain all he meant was taking out the fast acting carbs. I will have the bulk of my carbs in my second meal!
SHAKE
1 TB OF FLAX
1 SCOOP CASEIN
40G PROTEIN FROM EGG WHITES
COFFEE, ½ CUP SKIM

Mentally – depressed. Looking at the abs fade and still doing cardio rustrated me even though my cals haven’t been that high for more than 2 days.
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Hello and welcome and thank you for sharing your situation.

I think there are a lot of people with exercise nervosa, most would never admit it.

Yes it is necessary to take time off.

Over training is as damaging as not training at all. It is highly stressful to the body, which releases cortisol, which eats up your muscle.

It is one of the biggest mistakes that people make when training.

Also, on your off days is when you will be repairing muscle and growing, so reducing your calories/carbs on these days is not a good idea either.

I know how you feel about not training, I have just had a week off, I force myself to do this every now and then, and I come back stronger.

Our bodies are highly adaptible to stress, but the adaptation is not beneficial to a lean and muscular physique.
 
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