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d_rson
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I was dry, really dry on the 19 Tren. By the second day I adding Derma, I'm holding water in the belly by evening. But only really there. It's interesting. I am very susceptible to stomach bloat to begin with when I am eating sloppy carbs. However, I'm eating very clean, low carb right now. But I am also wondering since I am experiencing a significant change in my insulin sensitivity, I'm wondering if it has to do with that. Again, it's almost all in my lower stomach, and a little in the face. Everything else is dry and vascular.
I'm going to keep moving on as is and see what becomes. It's not "bad", I just like to look really lean and when you hold in the stomach, it really stands out.
Hey bro dont use whey other than after or before workout, othet than that its useless have real meat instead
I wouldn't say it is useless. I recommend it first thing in the morning to have a fast absorbing protein as soon as you wake up to replemish your stores. You think the whey is making him hold water and bloat? Maybe the lactose? This guy seems to know his body pretty good as he has severe diabetes and keeps it in check really well.
d_rson
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If I had a chance during the day at snack times to dump some solid food down the kisser, I would much rather, but with my schedule, the powder supps have to suffice. Plus it works well with my slow acting insulin, I'm always "ever so slightly anabolic" so the protein goes to good use and fast. I get three good meals with whole foods, and the other "meals" are typically nuts, cheese, and protein powder (which requires no additional insulin) and the whey I use has zero sugar and no lactose (another plus) - protein from whole foods seems to move my blood sugar barometer up a few points where protein powders seem to not have near as much effect. I can eat two whole, plain chicken breasts and my BS will bump 20-30 points - with the whey @ 25gram shot, I might get a 10 point bump if even that.
That said, this has been my typical protein supplementation, so I don't think it's causing the bloat. It's not like I'm michelin man or anything, it just wasn't expected. I could just be more sensitive than others. I may try 1-T next time as the kickstart, since I'll be on an anti-e at that time.
But thanks for all the points.
I knew i was missing something, yea right when you wake up is good since your in a fasted state but make sure to have a full meal shortly after. But just throughout the day it isnt that good since its in and out so fast.
What kind of whey is it? It might be why hes holding water, maybe some lean chicken instead or a can of tuna to replace it and see what happens?
d_rson
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This is my typical day, just FYI:
Morning: 3-4 eggs, multigrain toast with natural peanut butter, and Special K Protein cereal, 30-40g whey protein (depends on if I trained the evening before).
Mid-Morning: Nuts (Pecans, walnuts), cheese, 25g whey (acts as a pre-workout protein)
Lunch (post short workout): Meal with some type of meat, green vegs and/or slow burning fruit, 40g whey
Mid-Afternoon: same as mid morning (acts are my pre-workout protein as well)
Post-Workout: 50g protein (mostly whey and casein), 25g fast carbs (sugars), 30g slow carbs (grains)
Evening meal: Same as lunch but usually not much carbs at all (usually no vegs or fruits)
Before Bed: 25g whey/25g casein shake. I also might have a small 6oz cup of ice cream to help from going hype when I sleep (since I take the long acting insulin)
Morning: 3-4 eggs, multigrain toast with natural peanut butter, and Special K Protein cereal, 30-40g whey protein (depends on if I trained the evening before).
Mid-Morning: Nuts (Pecans, walnuts), cheese, 25g whey (acts as a pre-workout protein)
Lunch (post short workout): Meal with some type of meat, green vegs and/or slow burning fruit, 40g whey
Mid-Afternoon: same as mid morning (acts are my pre-workout protein as well)
Post-Workout: 50g protein (mostly whey and casein), 25g fast carbs (sugars), 30g slow carbs (grains)
Evening meal: Same as lunch but usually not much carbs at all (usually no vegs or fruits)
Before Bed: 25g whey/25g casein shake. I also might have a small 6oz cup of ice cream to help from going hype when I sleep (since I take the long acting insulin)
d_rson
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Day 1 of week 3 of 19 Tren and Day 1 of week 2 of Dermacrine.
Awesome workout today, was a monster. Not a lot of issues with lethargy, just raged right through it.
One thing I've noticed is there not a ton of anabolic activity in this stack so far compared to say 40mg of tbol - I'm experiencing mild to moderate DOMS, but vascularity is really good - I popped the right bicep vein today, it's usually hard to pop - my left one is always popped. Skin seems thinner.
And while I'm holding some water in the abs - wasn't as bad today, I can tell some thinning there, too. I've hit a couple blood vessles lately while giving my subq insulin, very unsual for me.
With weight staying right around 198, I seem to be recomping nicely after only 2 weeks. 2 more weeks of this, then bridging/mid PCT with SARMS and Sustain. Can't wait.
Awesome workout today, was a monster. Not a lot of issues with lethargy, just raged right through it.
One thing I've noticed is there not a ton of anabolic activity in this stack so far compared to say 40mg of tbol - I'm experiencing mild to moderate DOMS, but vascularity is really good - I popped the right bicep vein today, it's usually hard to pop - my left one is always popped. Skin seems thinner.
And while I'm holding some water in the abs - wasn't as bad today, I can tell some thinning there, too. I've hit a couple blood vessles lately while giving my subq insulin, very unsual for me.
With weight staying right around 198, I seem to be recomping nicely after only 2 weeks. 2 more weeks of this, then bridging/mid PCT with SARMS and Sustain. Can't wait.
d_rson
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Hump day of week 3.
Hard time sleeping last night (been borderline a couple times, but last night, wow!), probably popped the 19 Tren a little late last night. Going to try to hit the 19 Tren not so spaced out for the rest of the duration - something like 6:00am, 12:00pm, 6:00pm. I hit it last night right before bed, and woke up at midnight sweating, peeing, and wigged out a bit (weird dreams). Valerian Root usually has helped, but not last night!
Still lifting heavy and feeling it 24-48 hours, but not "that" bad. Slightly better recovery, but deffinitely recomping. I have to go 45 degree angle on insulin shots now with 8mm "ultra short" needles, so there's a sign my abdomen is thinning. Not huge or drastic, but slowly recomping. Got compliments on my shoulders today, looking striated. I'd say I'm probably close to 9.5% bf and dropping. Veins are thicked/bigger. And keep in mind I'm not really calorie-resricted either. AND I haven't been able to work out my legs this whole time due to a high ankle sprain (braced). So I'm staying the same weight, losing bodyfat, and only working out upper body. Good stuff so far.
Just and FWIW on sides. Virtually none - I will not hold my CNS stimulation issues against the 19 Tren - if I didn't have Neuropathic issues to begin with, I would be fine - like taking a diet pill. But the 19 Tren seems to really stimulate the nerves so for me it's a hard side-effect to deal with at times. But it's something I have to live with - it's not a health issue I can fix. The sleep issues again are probably amplified by my neuropathy.
Other than that - no heartburn, no high blood pressure, virtually nothing else (other than that beginning lethargy which is able to be "worked around").
Hard time sleeping last night (been borderline a couple times, but last night, wow!), probably popped the 19 Tren a little late last night. Going to try to hit the 19 Tren not so spaced out for the rest of the duration - something like 6:00am, 12:00pm, 6:00pm. I hit it last night right before bed, and woke up at midnight sweating, peeing, and wigged out a bit (weird dreams). Valerian Root usually has helped, but not last night!
Still lifting heavy and feeling it 24-48 hours, but not "that" bad. Slightly better recovery, but deffinitely recomping. I have to go 45 degree angle on insulin shots now with 8mm "ultra short" needles, so there's a sign my abdomen is thinning. Not huge or drastic, but slowly recomping. Got compliments on my shoulders today, looking striated. I'd say I'm probably close to 9.5% bf and dropping. Veins are thicked/bigger. And keep in mind I'm not really calorie-resricted either. AND I haven't been able to work out my legs this whole time due to a high ankle sprain (braced). So I'm staying the same weight, losing bodyfat, and only working out upper body. Good stuff so far.
Just and FWIW on sides. Virtually none - I will not hold my CNS stimulation issues against the 19 Tren - if I didn't have Neuropathic issues to begin with, I would be fine - like taking a diet pill. But the 19 Tren seems to really stimulate the nerves so for me it's a hard side-effect to deal with at times. But it's something I have to live with - it's not a health issue I can fix. The sleep issues again are probably amplified by my neuropathy.
Other than that - no heartburn, no high blood pressure, virtually nothing else (other than that beginning lethargy which is able to be "worked around").
