Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meats

[SuperStrong]

Is there any disadvantage here if I get my protein macro requirements met primarily from whey supplementation?

I am only aware of these as disadvantages -

1) The supposed thermic effect of burning real food that's not really present in Whey. But I've actually read studies showing that the thermic effect of burning food isn't all that great to begin with.

2) Whey spikes insulin a bit. But I generally subscribe to eating the majority of my whey protein as Post-workout "meals" anyway, so that should not be of concern. I'm not sure how big of a concern the insulin response really is though even if the case was pre-workout consumption throughout the day, does it really spike insulin too much to be a problem? And won't throwing something in like coconut oil or EFAs lower the insulin response? I could do that too.

3) Vitamins and minerals not present in whey that's found in "real food"... So, I take my natural green drinks as well and supplement with vitamins anyway, so I think I'm covered there.

4) Creatine in red meat... which I take kre-alkalyn creatine anyway.

So after all that, is eating "real meat/fish/chicken/etc" that big a deal? It's just easier to go with whey protein.

Also, as I've heard varying things about maximum protein consumption per sitting that the body can process.. that the body will take what it needs and that there really is no cap to the amount you can consume (which in the case of whey protein, it's easy to consume a lot in one sitting), to people saying that 50grams per sitting is the cap that the body can process at a time. If anyone can shed more light on this particular thing as well please chime in.

Thanks

 

[SuperStrong]

Re: Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meat

Also, another potential issue I left out was that whey protein is more faster digesting than whole meats. But I can't find a definitive answer if that is a problem. E.g. do you need slower digesting meats, does that equate to something more like a time-release of protein and is that needed? Or does digestion rate of protein not really matter in the long run i.e. fast digesting whey protein is just as good as the slower digesting of whole meats, and the bottom line would be to just meet your protein macro requirements whether the majority be from whole foods or whey it doesn't matter? Or does it?

If anyone can put to some science to backup whether or not this matters to maintaining positive nitrogen balance / protein synthesis / building or maintaining muscle, that would be great.

 

[RickRock13]

Re: Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meat

Eating while foods will leave you more satisfied, and much more full rather than drinking your meals. Also, a slow steady stream of aminos will be released over time from whole foods, rather than whey which will pass through rather quickly making whole foods an obvious winner in many ways. Whey is good in moderation, but I personally only use it post workout at one shake per day. It's egg whites and meats for the rest of the day.

 

[2tickets]

Is there any disadvantage here if I get my protein macro requirements met primarily from whey supplementation?

I am only aware of these as disadvantages -

1) The supposed thermic effect of burning real food that's not really present in Whey. But I've actually read studies showing that the thermic effect of burning food isn't all that great to begin with.

2) Whey spikes insulin a bit. But I generally subscribe to eating the majority of my whey protein as Post-workout "meals" anyway, so that should not be of concern. I'm not sure how big of a concern the insulin response really is though even if the case was pre-workout consumption throughout the day, does it really spike insulin too much to be a problem? And won't throwing something in like coconut oil or EFAs lower the insulin response? I could do that too.

3) Vitamins and minerals not present in whey that's found in "real food"... So, I take my natural green drinks as well and supplement with vitamins anyway, so I think I'm covered there.

4) Creatine in red meat... which I take kre-alkalyn creatine anyway.

So after all that, is eating "real meat/fish/chicken/etc" that big a deal? It's just easier to go with whey protein.

Also, as I've heard varying things about maximum protein consumption per sitting that the body can process.. that the body will take what it needs and that there really is no cap to the amount you can consume (which in the case of whey protein, it's easy to consume a lot in one sitting), to people saying that 50grams per sitting is the cap that the body can process at a time. If anyone can shed more light on this particular thing as well please chime in.

Thanks

If you're getting most of your protein from whey supplements what makes up the rest of your food intake during a typical day? Where are you getting dietary fat from for example?

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[RickRock13]

"Food" for thought....

All of the big guys I know eat real food. They got that way from eating meat and other foods. A lot of them don't even use shakes.

All the ones I know that rely on 3 or 4 shakes per day are usually small and weak.

J/S

 

[NegroPops]

Re: Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meat

One of the guys that works for me consumes one solid meal per day. Everything else is Whey, Oats, and Olive Oil mixed together. He is fucking jacked.. so I'd say it can be done and beneficial. #BroScience lol

BUT

I think there should be a solid mix of whole foods, and proten shakes.

If you were going to go the route of getting the majority of your protein intake from liquid.. then I would try to go with a protein powder that had a mix of different digesting proteins.

 

[El Hefe]

I've always preferred food/meat. Partly because I bloat (as do many) on more than 2-3 shakes.

But I've know some absolute f#cking monsters that consume 150-200 grams of protein per day via shakes. So, I definitely wouldn't say most big guys just eat food.

But although I sometimes try to avoid the shakes, my opinion is mixed.

Professionally, I work in Agri-Business. I work very closely with individuals who study the benefits of liquid nutrition for animals and plants. In most cases, they (most animals and plants) experience a faster rate of gain with liquid nutrition. The only problem with liquid diets for animals is they can often lead to digestion problems, in which case they would add a certain amount of dry food.

In most cases they find better utilization with the liquid.

 

[RickRock13]

200 cals from meat or 200 cals from a shake? I'm going for the meat. A shake is not satisfying at all. I don't even call them meals. Look at any of your top BB diet plans and see how many shakes they take. One maybe post workout, and sometimes none. I think protein shakes are beneficial to help you hit your protein total for the day, but you should not rely on them for the bulk of your protein. If you want to take this bodybuilding lifestyle seriously, eat your fucking meat. If not, go be a vegetarian.

 

[SuperStrong]

Re: Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meat

Thanks for sharing your thoughts guys, very interesting.

2tickets, dietary fat from things like eggs, whole milk, and some meat. Or if a problem, but again it isn't ever a problem really, it would be easy to just add in some healthy oils like coconut oil. Also I do supplement with EFAs on top of that.

Rickrock13, definitely agree with meat filling you up and making you more satisfied. I'm not eliminating meat completely, but just hate the feeling of "force feeding" to meet macro requirements especially when bulking. Or when doing Intermittent Fasting type dieting to lose weight, where you opt for just one huge meal per day (which can be A LOT of food in one sitting to meet the macro requirements per protein/fat/carb). Trying to adhere to 1.5g-2g of protein per bodyweight, whey protein makes things so much easier as you can imagine.

I'm still not sure if the fast-digesting properties of whey would be an issue, so I just resolved it by eating some slower digesting foods first like some meat and/or eggs (as eggs is one of the more slower digesting proteins), and then chugging down the whey protein afterwards. Which I believe should slow down the digestion rate of the whey protein.


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[MaxxReps]

Re: Meeting the majority of protein requirements from Whey instead of Real Whole Meat

I eat very little meat and get most of my protein from egg whites, whey powder, cottage cheese and greek yogurt. As you said, you can control the rate of absorption of whey through combining it with other foods. I use it to enhance my meals rather than shakes - for example, make 'milk' out of whey powder for my oatmeal or add it to skim milk for desert pudding etc.

Its a great tool and a pretty cheap source of protein but agree with others that it does not fill you and I like to eat.