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I am not a big believer in longer cycles being unproductive after 8-10 weeks. I think I would have heard about this before now if it was that much of a fact. Shorter cycles can be beneficial.. and so can longer cycles. I know that I kept making gains past the 10 week mark when I ran test and EQ as well as test and deca. And I am sure there are thousands of people that also agree with this. If 8-10 week cycle is all someone can run to reap the benefits of steroids.. then I think the compounds with longer esters would have become obsolete years ago.

I guess I will have to look more into this.
 
Just read up up on your post about myostatin levels on cycle and how its effects will pretty much put a halt to gains after the 8 week mark of a cycle, and have to say its very interesting and certainly changes my outlook on things. I was planning on 20 weeks of EQ this winter, but that may change now.


I have no idea why I didn't join this thread sooner....great info here

you didn't know that?

shit, if he didn't link the study, let me know. I got it around here somewhere.
 
you didn't know that?

shit, if he didn't link the study, let me know. I got it around here somewhere.



No, I actually had no idea about it. I know there are diminished returns on cycle generally after 6-8 weeks, but thought that was pretty much from the body trying to reach homeostasis and normalizing itself along with deregulating androgen receptors. Never really heard myostatin brought up before.
 
I definitely wanted to cut out the cycle but was just busy as this has been the week from hell.

I'm glad you posted. I was beginning to think I was having a conversation with myself :)

Did you decide to cut out the T3 or is that just not on the list?

No, I just forgot to mention it. I use it the entire time.

Do you run MastP or MastE? With ED injections I assume prop but I've heard Dylan say he actually gets better results from e so curious to hear your thoughts.

I do something different. I run long esters for a while so I can make slow, solid gains. Then I flip it to short esters to give myself another hormonal spike and to reach a "peak plasma concentration." Prior to flipping to short esters I just used the same compounds just with the longer ester chain. Does Dylan like E better than P? I personally like them both and use them both in my cycle, so in essence I'm getting the best of both worlds.

But I do prefer short ester for the reason below.

Perhaps the most important thing is that short-chain esters (steroids of shorter half life) yield a much higher plasma concentration of steroid than steroids of longer side chain esters.

In some study, a single 100 mg/ml x 1 ml intragluteal injection of nandrolone phenylpropionate caused a peak plasma concentration of almost double that of the 100 mg/ml x 1 ml intragluteal injection of nandrolone decanoate.

This level remained increased for almost seven days, too. By fourteen days, even though the nandrolone decanoate ester demonstrated a much higher plasma level than the nandrolone phenylpropionate level, the net amount of both was so low as to be ineffective.

This tells me that the effects I can see from using 500 mg of Testosterone enth per week probably would not be the same as using 500 mg of Testosterone prop or even Testosterone suspension per week. I'm going to see better results with the propionate and even better results with the suspension. Sure, I may need to inject the propionate and suspension more often, but in the long run it will pay off for me at the most crucial time of my prep.



Do you use the HCTZ for bp reasons, water or both? I've heard using water pills/diuretics for more than a week or so can make muscles flat so curious with you running it 8 weeks.
When do you start?

I use it to smash water retention. Diuretics shrink fat cells, which is ideal for getting rid of them. After shrinking the fat cells and adding T3 and a thermogenic, those fat cells are history. Using water pills enable one to eat more because of the above mentioned reason, that's why eating carbs is crucial while taking diuretics, or you will go flat. You have to keep real hydrated while using water pills because the body will start using the its water at a more rapid pace, which means if you don't keep hydrated constantly then the body goes into survival mode and uses its stored water, which leads to bloating and perhaps dangerous adverse effects.

I cycle them for 2-3 months at a time..

And I'm EAGERLY looking forward to your further thoughts on how to use the mysostatin cycle/restart issue to best effect (I PM'd you about it and there have been some questions in this thread). With me coming up on week 14 of my cycle I've pretty much decided I'm going to ride it out 28 weeks to take advangate of the restart and want to make sure I do it the best possible way.

Give me a definitive question and I will give you a definitive answer.
 
No, I actually had no idea about it. I know there are diminished returns on cycle generally after 6-8 weeks, but thought that was pretty much from the body trying to reach homeostasis and normalizing itself along with deregulating androgen receptors. Never really heard myostatin brought up before.

that's basically what's going on. Myostatin is a big part of it.
 
Give me a definitive question and I will give you a definitive answer.

Gave the question in a PM you said you'd get back to when you had the time as it was a busy week for you. Shorter version of the question here:

I'm 13 weeks into a cycle I'd originally planned on running for 16 weeks. After reading up on what you've posted about myostatin I've decided I'm going to extend it and run it through the "reset" period to 28 weeks. My question is at the 16 week mark I'd originally planned on ending the cycle should I be cutting the cycle/compounds back for a bit before amping back up at Week 20 or stay steady throughout?

I'm currently running:

TestE 375/wk
EQ 900/wk (started at 600 and have tapered up)
TrenA 300/wk (ending this in two weeks regardless)
Anavar 100/day
Proviron 50/day

I'd like to have the back end of the cycle be something like:

Test (low dose)
Primo
EQ
Mast
Tren (maybe - and low dose if so)

How do I maximize retention of gains so far and transition from the point I'm at now to being ready to make the most of things come Week 20 when the "reset" starts?

And what doses would you recommend with a cycle like the one I am proposing for the reset?
 
Oh and the info about me:

I'm 37 years old, 6', 202 pounds and 7.5% bodyfat as of last week (started cycle same weight but 13.8% bodyfat - pure recomp losing 12 pounds of fat and adding 12 pounds of muscle). I run/compete in long distance trail and obstacle races so that is why I've kept tren doses lower than most here - doesn't impact my cardio that way and my training includes 30+ miles of running/trails per week. Goal is to lean out a touch more and add a few more ultralean pounds of muscle. Finishing up at 210 and 6% would be fantastic.
 
Gave the question in a PM you said you'd get back to when you had the time as it was a busy week for you. Shorter version of the question here:

I'm 13 weeks into a cycle I'd originally planned on running for 16 weeks. After reading up on what you've posted about myostatin I've decided I'm going to extend it and run it through the "reset" period to 28 weeks. My question is at the 16 week mark I'd originally planned on ending the cycle should I be cutting the cycle/compounds back for a bit before amping back up at Week 20 or stay steady throughout?

I'm currently running:

TestE 375/wk
EQ 900/wk (started at 600 and have tapered up)
TrenA 300/wk (ending this in two weeks regardless)
Anavar 100/day
Proviron 50/day

I'd like to have the back end of the cycle be something like:

Test (low dose)
Primo
EQ
Mast
Tren (maybe - and low dose if so)

How do I maximize retention of gains so far and transition from the point I'm at now to being ready to make the most of things come Week 20 when the "reset" starts?

And what doses would you recommend with a cycle like the one I am proposing for the reset?


In a nutshell here's what we been doing for years. We either run 8 week full cycles then cruise until week 20, then we go on full cycle again and it will baseline from there on out and change things up every 8 weeks. Or we just stay on full cycle full time. I stayed on full cycle full time for 3 years straight when I was in my late 20s and continued to grow every year, that's when I was at my best.

I recommend you drop your doses to cruise dose and then at week 20 go on full cycle again until week 28, then change things again if you feel like staying on.
 
Oh and the info about me:

I'm 37 years old, 6', 202 pounds and 7.5% bodyfat as of last week (started cycle same weight but 13.8% bodyfat - pure recomp losing 12 pounds of fat and adding 12 pounds of muscle). I run/compete in long distance trail and obstacle races so that is why I've kept tren doses lower than most here - doesn't impact my cardio that way and my training includes 30+ miles of running/trails per week. Goal is to lean out a touch more and add a few more ultralean pounds of muscle. Finishing up at 210 and 6% would be fantastic.


If you are a runner then why do you want to take so much gear?? I shot-up enough tren to float a battleship around and it never hindered/hinders my cardio. I don't understand why people on these boards constantly spout that out.
 
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