Joined 18th August, starting September 1 ("project Des")

[desmond]

For whatever reason post day 5 on 2xdaily testogel, things have returned to as before (low energy etc). I don't "feel" the testosterone anymore - eg no increase of body temp etc.

I'm wondering whether I am having excess estrogen conversion (although I can't see physical evidence), but won't be having a retest for at least 2 weeks.

 

[OMEGA]

YES if your feeling tired it is NOW estrogen elevating to achieve some Type if endocrine homeostatic level

unfortunate this spike in systemic wide E can be too high.

the KeY Des is to use a VERY low dose or Exemestane 3 times a week.

for you this meas a mere 10-15 mgs 3 times a week orally

It will also free up More Test ( via SBGH) Exemastane actually frees up more Test to render it active, and also is a suicidal inhibitor of E thus no REBOUND!


oh man you will have GREAT gains for the next YEAR if you do this right Des.

50 2 times a day with real good supps, enhanced topical application ( heat poss Dhea)) and Exemstane will have you be a Alphas in no time

 

[desmond]

I have read great things about Exemestane.

Hopefully my doctors are receptive to this - I'm not sure how easy it is to get in Australia on the black market

Do any herbal anti-E products do anything - eg lignans, DIM, transdermal Chrysin?

YES if your feeling tired it is NOW estrogen elevating to achieve some Type if endocrine homeostatic level

unfortunate this spike in systemic wide E can be too high.

the KeY Des is to use a VERY low dose or Exemestane 3 times a week.

for you this meas a mere 10-15 mgs 3 times a week orally

It will also free up More Test ( via SBGH) Exemastane actually frees up more Test to render it active, and also is a suicidal inhibitor of E thus no REBOUND!


oh man you will have GREAT gains for the next YEAR if you do this right Des.

50 2 times a day with real good supps, enhanced topical application ( heat poss Dhea)) and Exemstane will have you be a Alphas in no time

 

[OMEGA]

Transdermal ATD is best if you cant get that then just use Dermacrine

 

[desmond]

Well after being on 2 x daily testogel I got my results back.

Total Test 9.2 (6-30)
SHBG 18 (15-70)
FAI 51 (18-210)
DHEA-sulphate 3.4 (7-16.1)
Oestradiol 56 (<200)



I'm a bit disappointed. I felt great on 2xdaily testogel for 5 days and then it disappeared. On the day of the test I actually had been using 2.5xtestogel for a 1/2 week but then realise this wasn't permitted.

I'm not sure how bad this DHEA score is and what is means. It does support the adrenal fatigue hypothesis

I will ask to get prescribed reandron. Apparently this gives a avg testosterone of about 15. My Dr doesn't like Sustanton 250 (b/c of need for repeated shots)

I have never had any interest in sex - it would be nice to see whether a higher testosterone (15-25) would solve this issue.

 

[access]

My Dr doesn't like Sustanton 250 (b/c of need for repeated shots)

This is not true Des. Sustanon was originally developed for HRT purposes with the idea being that it could conceivably be injected once a month. Real world applications tell us that this has not turned out to be ideal especially in bodybuilding circles but Sustanon injected once weekly will work perfectly fine for your application. I would certainly try to get on some type of injectible Test from your doc and Sus is just a blend of 4 different Test esters so is an option if he has access to it and has some preference for it otherwise Enanthate would be my choice.

 

[desmond]

This is not true Des. Sustanon was originally developed for HRT purposes with the idea being that it could conceivably be injected once a month. Real world applications tell us that this has not turned out to be ideal especially in bodybuilding circles but Sustanon injected once weekly will work perfectly fine for your application. I would certainly try to get on some type of injectible Test from your doc and Sus is just a blend of 4 different Test esters so is an option if he has access to it and has some preference for it otherwise Enanthate would be my choice.

My doctor doesn't like his patients injecting themselves. I am seeing a second doctor in 2 weeks - i could try and get Sustanon from him.

You don't think highly of Reandron Access? From what I'd read it get my test to about 15-20, which perhaps is something to feel grateful for at this stage.

Also, is Sustanton 250 weekly almost an aas type dosage? Would the doctor think that put you too high (i.e., above the normal range)

 

[access]

Reandron is just Test undecanoate and I think 250mg/ml normally but it does have a long ass half life so you could probably do 2ml shots every two weeks. I think from memory (I haven't lived in Oz for a while now) but Test E, Sus and Reandron are the only "legal" choices for Test injections there. My only thinking with you specifically and your doctor should also be considering this is that your working out on a regular basis, like 4-5 times a week with weights. To obtain maximum benefit from the test injections coupled with your lifestyle (which is also an important consideration) that a weekly injection of Test is going to give you the best benefits and to that end Test E is likely the winner. Sus is not a bad second choice. I mean fuck the doctor in all honesty here Des. Your a grown man and can inject your self on a weekly basis. Make sure he knows your not averse to doing a weekly inject.

 

[desmond]

I will inform him I'm not averse to injecting myself. I'm seeing a second doctor who is quite liberal and is likely to allow frequent injections.

Thanks

Reandron is just Test undecanoate and I think 250mg/ml normally but it does have a long ass half life so you could probably do 2ml shots every two weeks. I think from memory (I haven't lived in Oz for a while now) but Test E, Sus and Reandron are the only "legal" choices for Test injections there. My only thinking with you specifically and your doctor should also be considering this is that your working out on a regular basis, like 4-5 times a week with weights. To obtain maximum benefit from the test injections coupled with your lifestyle (which is also an important consideration) that a weekly injection of Test is going to give you the best benefits and to that end Test E is likely the winner. Sus is not a bad second choice. I mean fuck the doctor in all honesty here Des. Your a grown man and can inject your self on a weekly basis. Make sure he knows your not averse to doing a weekly inject.

 

[access]

I just want to see you healthy and enjoying life Des and it's already very apparent exogenous supplementation of testosterone is going to go a long way to vastly improving your overall quality of life. It's just annoying me that these doc's are not apparently willing to see that. I have no problems at all with a doctor being diligent, quite the contrary, but you seem to be getting the round around so much for whatever reason it may be.

Best of luck with this new guy!