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Joined 18th August, starting September 1 ("project Des")

OMEGA said:
come on vacation to the USA ship your self some AAS to a US adress then ship it to AUS

let me know if you come to the states
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Ah thanks Omega - $$ are low however ATM.

If I can get it subsidised through the current round of doctors however there is a clinic in another Australian state that advertises its very liberal attitude (legal "anti-ageing" clinic) in this regard.

I have just read the information from then and it would be $170-210 per month.

I could always try for 3 months to see whether it made significant life improvements.

I figure most people spend that amount on alcohol at 26 so I don't see it as an excessively expensive.

Our government has just as part of its stimulous package decided to blow $900 on handouts to everyone, so mine can be used on this; it's the patriotic thing to do to support the economy lol.
 
BIG NEWS:

I saw a urologist for nocturia.

He says "now I'm going to want to do some tests...including testosterone"

I remark I have and they were sent to him. He looks at them and goes

"No one should have T levels like that at ur age. i will give u Testagel straight away...

It could be the cause of your headaches...

(referring to the endo's views with criticism) Low T causes depression not the reverse."

So I have been given 50mg to take daily. What's this dose like Omega? It's Testogel testosterone cream - rubb on chest he said

I'm not trying it to Friday b/c I need to have a record of a few days without out to take a dairy on my uriniation (that was the reason I saw him), then I'm to go on T, and then a few days later again a anti-nocturia drug.
 
I tried AndroGel and knew after 2 days it wasn't for me. I felt like never fuly absorbed, and since I often take 2 shower a day, I felt the 2nd shower was jut washing it off. The deciding factor for me was my kids. If it wasn't absorbing, I couldn't touch my kids.

I pushed for the injection and am much happier.
 
rub it on inner forearms TWICE per day.,

Heat skin with hot towelette then dry, then apply Testogel right after while skin is still hot

Ther is one guy I know at another bpard that got SKY high Test level by using Adrogel twice daily

it works great for some not for others.

if it does not work then have him put you on weekly injects of Test E at 200 mgs a week
 
OMEGA said:
rub it on inner forearms TWICE per day.,

Heat skin with hot towelette then dry, then apply Testogel right after while skin is still hot

Ther is one guy I know at another bpard that got SKY high Test level by using Adrogel twice daily

it works great for some not for others.

if it does not work then have him put you on weekly injects of Test E at 200 mgs a week
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How long should it to take to feel the difference?

I'm taking it for first time on friday. I have to measure my nocturia/polyuria for a couple of days.
 
I have a brilliant idea

use 1/3 a dose of the topical and claim your using all of it

then he will test and see your levels are low, then push for 250 mgs per week of Test Enathate!
 
I don't want to fuck with this doctor - who I owe a lot to - so I won't do that sorry omega.

I think this doctor is very liberal and would accept my desire to be in the top part of the T range, esp if I felt partly but not totally better from moving up the range.

Here's something of interest: I have two brothers who have now both been tested. One is subclinical and suffers from similar energy issues to me but still has a sex drive. My younger brother is the slut of Adelaide, has lots of energy, and is ABOVE the normal range . I'm trying to tell him that he has to capitalise on his genetics and get massive.
 
im pretty sure he likes doing what he does now.
if i was him i would probably bang a few different chicks every week too. lol
 
Been offline for a bit but glad you have found a doctor finally Des that will work with you. In all honesty I would push for the injections with him if you can especially so at your age. Testagel is so hit and miss and seems to work best for older guys who lead a more sedentary life typically rather than someone who is young like you and more active. You have more regular showers and sweat more often so gels are not ideal.
 
OK i will push for the injections but to be honest, I have all ready noticed a huge lift in energy and decrease in nocturia in just 2 days, so I believe the trans dermal delivery may be working for me
 
I am sure it will given what your Test levels are but if was me I know I would prefer the injections as I am safe in the knowledge then I am reciving every bit of Test I should be.

It is certainly great news to see your already feeling the positives Des. I hope you continue to see improvements. Would be awesome to know that the root of a lot of your problems can be solved by an increase in Test levels. Wish you the best as always buddy!
 
Access: thanks.

Omega:

suppose I'm stuck on 50mg testogel (as in that's the most the endo gives me).

From what I have read the scrotum has the highest absorption rate, but it warns against applying there because of possible skin irritations.

I was thinking (assuming I don't get skin irritations - i have never been prone to this anywhere on my body):
- should I apply 1/2 in the AM on my scrotum (as the whole tube is a bit large for the scrotum lol)
- and then put it in the fridge in a shut container so it can't dry out and apply the second 1/2 b4 bed?

Absorption rate seems much better on the scrotum from studies i have read.

350mg would then be a high dose.
 
just use inner forearms
and heat first your skin then apply

do half in the am and the other half at lunch, this is best

also to amplify the testo gel add in some topical DHEA, as it will make it go farther
 
hope its working well des

omega - will update my journal and progress after my chest workout today
 
It's hard to determine the benefit of the testosterone ATM b/c I decided that to give ameliorating the headaches a chance I would have to be quit caffeine and am having withdrawals.

I'm not currently doing Omega - I'm still waiting for my body to feel normal. And it's far from it.
I'm training 3 times per week and notice I'm sore all the time. I have been like this since November. I still can't understand what happened - after taking leucine, I developed parathesia and never had normal muscle recovery since. My body just feels raped the entire time from just 3 weights sessions, which is less than I ever used to do. Seemed to mark the end of weights improvement.

I'm seeing a hormonal doctor in June whose apparently liberal on these matters to try and work out what could be the cause. Hopefully its just low Test, but I doubt it because it started mainly in November and I'm sure my low Test proceeded this.
 
Omega:

(1)

you mentioned taking testogel with DHEA. Is this DHEA dosage of any use 7-Keto DHEA - 100mg http://www.healthfitness.com.au/shop/product.php?p_id=63. It's the biggest I could find legal in Australia

(2) Secondly, I'm going to see an alternative doctor for adrenal gland exhaustion in June. I wonder if I have it. Are there any supplements you know of that may work for that?
 
Omega:

(1)

you mentioned taking testogel with DHEA. Is this DHEA dosage of any use 7-Keto DHEA - 100mg http://www.healthfitness.com.au/shop/product.php?p_id=63. It's the biggest I could find legal in Australia

(2) Secondly, I'm going to see an alternative doctor for adrenal gland exhaustion in June. I wonder if I have it. Are there any supplements you know of that may work for that?
 
Testosterone update:

Well I had been on it for 2 and 1/2 weeks, and everything seemed to be improving.

However, the doctor only gave me enough trial to last to tuesday this week (i.e., a couple of days ago) and my next appointment is on Wedensday nex week.

i ask by phone to get enough testogel to last for the interim week but was denied

So, I have now been off testogel for 60 hours.

It's amazing how much worse I feel - headaches, fatigued, even worse than pre-testagel, and I can't sleep because I have started pissing all night. I FEEL SHIT. This is like going through menopause in 2 days lol

I'm going to push for a double dose of testogel when I next see him.

It appears the most likely cause of my nocturia.

I'm going to have to miss probably a couple of days of work for this - so the doctor essentially has cost me $200xwhatever many days I miss.

Suffice to say I'm not impressed.

The good news is though I should be back on omega < month of resuming HRT.
 
you were on for 2 weeks

now your SHUT down completely so you better have him retest then Up the dose times 2
 
Holy Crap Des..what is this doc trying to do you? As Omega said I hope he writes up a nice script for you this time out.
 
yeah its like the doc is like "here try this out and then let me pull the rug out from you" lol

unless he is enlightened and wants you to have ZERO test so he can right you a good script
 
OMEGA said:
yeah its like the doc is like "here try this out and then let me pull the rug out from you" lol

unless he is enlightened and wants you to have ZERO test so he can right you a good script
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I agree its ridiculous.

I'm trying not to take sick leave.

I'm pissing about 30 times per day (like pre-test).

I hope Omega he's going to write me a proper script. Otherwise his behaviour is pure sadism
 
you need to communicate clearly and let him KNOW he shut you down even MORE by putting you on for 2 weeks and the pulling the rug
 
OMEGA said:
you need to communicate clearly and let him KNOW he shut you down even MORE by putting you on for 2 weeks and the pulling the rug
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Yes, I will explain to him that
- my energy problems were 80% cured;
- concentration was 50% improved;
- pissing was 70% improved
- mood was 90% improved
- headaches at best marginal improvement, and moderate improvement of brain fog.
- physical soreness 90%+ improved
- pissing smell 100% improved (it use to stick, particulaly after protein powder)

And this all points to a higher dosage.

Omega: what is the avg testosterone level for a 26 year old? The only study I have read suggested 18, but I thought it would be higher
 
dosage of Test E should be for you around 200 mgs a week try to push for 250.

he will try to put you on a measly 100 and that wont do it , it will make you feel ok for 2-3 days then you will crash mid week do to low blood levels again
 
Des if he doesn't look after you then you need to find someone who will and at worst self medicate.
 
access said:
Des if he doesn't look after you then you need to find someone who will and at worst self medicate.
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A friend on an Australian bodybuilding forum has told me of a good hormone specialist in adelaide.

I'm seeing him in late June, although I still have hopes for urologist.

If this goes no where I will self-medicate.
 
Well tomorrow is the big day - i see the doctor

I will ask either for 2x daily testogel or 200-250mg test injections.

I'm pretty sure my testosterone is lower now (after 8 days of abstinence) than before. not a single erection in the period.

If it goes well, I will start omega training immediately (but warm up my body by 3x training per week for 2-3 weeks) and then start

Omega: for someone who has no natural testosterone production and is relying purely on exogenous testosterone, what is the usefulness of consuming fat in my diet? I mean previously I was consuming 90G of fat and 3 eggs for breakfast, but given my medical condition I'm wondering if fats are appropriate for me because they don't assist in hormonal production and therefore may have no use? Should I 1/2 the fat? My low testosterone also explains why my urine stinks on high protein diets, because this didn't happen when I was on testogel nearly as much.
 
The urologist gave me double the dosage, so 2x50mg per day of testogel.

He did his pHD on testosterone. He said lab measures of testosterone were very innacurate because of poor estimate on binding factors, and that he will alter my prescription based on my feedback, not a testosterone score.

He isn't a fan of sustanon because of the repeat need for injection. Apparently there is some 1000mg injection that he does like which last for 10-12 weeks depending on the person
 
access said:
That would be test undecanoate Des. At least he is doing something which is great.
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Access whilst on trial, I did actually try on one day a double dose (I told the doctor this).

I felt very energetic on the double dose almost immediately, so I actually think this could be the right dose for me.

My goal is health; muscle growth is a nice side benefit, but doesn't override my primary goal.

If for example my headaches clear, i'm not going to fuck with the dosage.
 
2 times 50?

YES! u should DO VERY well, make sure to heat skin at forearms ALOT to increase permutation then add the gel, then add in maybe 50 mgs of Dhea powder to each dose to Amplify it! ( make sure its micronized)

you should have the T levels of a super healthy Big Male by day 3
 
DHEA is banned in Australia.

I'm doing the extreme hot showers before applying


OMEGA said:
2 times 50?

YES! u should DO VERY well, make sure to heat skin at forearms ALOT to increase permutation then add the gel, then add in maybe 50 mgs of Dhea powder to each dose to Amplify it! ( make sure its micronized)

you should have the T levels of a super healthy Big Male by day 3
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I'm wondering what my new diet should be:

Argument for higher cals:
(1) more potential to gain LBM
(2) higher metabolism (I can feel a higher body temp than before - use to get cold extremeties)

Argument for lower cals
(1) since I'm not producing any testosterone naturally, do I need a high amount of fats in my diet? Anything above 40 seems to have no point
(2) Given I now have normal test levels for the first time since I started training and feel physically much better, would I be able to cut/bulk easily for 2-3 months simultaneously
 
desmond said:
I'm wondering what my new diet should be:

Argument for higher cals:
(1) more potential to gain LBM increase solid intake of prot. by 60 full grams
(2) higher metabolism (I can feel a higher body temp than before - use to get cold extremities)correct which inidcates more metabolic reactions, so add 30 grams of fat and another 60 grams of complex carbs

Argument for lower cals
(1) since I'm not producing any testosterone naturally, do I need a high amount of fats in my diet? Anything above 40 seems to have no pointonly in the AM ( 3 eggs will do), and fats in the PM as in fish or steak or PB
(2) Given I now have normal test levels for the first time since I started training and feel physically much better, would I be able to cut/bulk easily for 2-3 months simultaneously YES but do a mini clean bulk for 6 weeks and a easy cutter last 4-6 weeks instead
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xdd
 
OMEGA said:
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OK - that's reasonably high calories then for the next month or so, but the next 3 months should be good gains for me (newby gains???) so I shouldn't accumulate excessive bf% .

I mean I look decent for test levels of 1.6 lol. It always annoyed me that i trained harder and better than many others for poorer results.

NOT ANYMORE lol

Today for eg after taking the 50WPI PWO, instead of pissing stinky urine chronically for the next few hours, I haven't gone to the toilet 2 hours later.

I think I will take some photos and start logging from tomorrow. I just need my brother home in the morning for the photos.

I'd say compared to the old photos, I have about 0.5k more fat, but a better back, mildly better legs, but poorer shoulders/arms. Chest is same. All should be good post-Testosterone
 
For whatever reason post day 5 on 2xdaily testogel, things have returned to as before (low energy etc). I don't "feel" the testosterone anymore - eg no increase of body temp etc.

I'm wondering whether I am having excess estrogen conversion (although I can't see physical evidence), but won't be having a retest for at least 2 weeks.
 
YES if your feeling tired it is NOW estrogen elevating to achieve some Type if endocrine homeostatic level

unfortunate this spike in systemic wide E can be too high.

the KeY Des is to use a VERY low dose or Exemestane 3 times a week.

for you this meas a mere 10-15 mgs 3 times a week:) orally

It will also free up More Test ( via SBGH) Exemastane actually frees up more Test to render it active, and also is a suicidal inhibitor of E thus no REBOUND! :)


oh man you will have GREAT gains for the next YEAR if you do this right Des.

50 2 times a day with real good supps, enhanced topical application ( heat poss Dhea)) and Exemstane will have you be a Alphas in no time
 
I have read great things about Exemestane.

Hopefully my doctors are receptive to this - I'm not sure how easy it is to get in Australia on the black market

Do any herbal anti-E products do anything - eg lignans, DIM, transdermal Chrysin?

OMEGA said:
YES if your feeling tired it is NOW estrogen elevating to achieve some Type if endocrine homeostatic level

unfortunate this spike in systemic wide E can be too high.

the KeY Des is to use a VERY low dose or Exemestane 3 times a week.

for you this meas a mere 10-15 mgs 3 times a week:) orally

It will also free up More Test ( via SBGH) Exemastane actually frees up more Test to render it active, and also is a suicidal inhibitor of E thus no REBOUND! :)


oh man you will have GREAT gains for the next YEAR if you do this right Des.

50 2 times a day with real good supps, enhanced topical application ( heat poss Dhea)) and Exemstane will have you be a Alphas in no time
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Well after being on 2 x daily testogel I got my results back.

Total Test 9.2 (6-30)
SHBG 18 (15-70)
FAI 51 (18-210)
DHEA-sulphate 3.4 (7-16.1)
Oestradiol 56 (<200)



I'm a bit disappointed. I felt great on 2xdaily testogel for 5 days and then it disappeared. On the day of the test I actually had been using 2.5xtestogel for a 1/2 week but then realise this wasn't permitted.

I'm not sure how bad this DHEA score is and what is means. It does support the adrenal fatigue hypothesis

I will ask to get prescribed reandron. Apparently this gives a avg testosterone of about 15. My Dr doesn't like Sustanton 250 (b/c of need for repeated shots)

I have never had any interest in sex - it would be nice to see whether a higher testosterone (15-25) would solve this issue.
 
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My Dr doesn't like Sustanton 250 (b/c of need for repeated shots)
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This is not true Des. Sustanon was originally developed for HRT purposes with the idea being that it could conceivably be injected once a month. Real world applications tell us that this has not turned out to be ideal especially in bodybuilding circles but Sustanon injected once weekly will work perfectly fine for your application. I would certainly try to get on some type of injectible Test from your doc and Sus is just a blend of 4 different Test esters so is an option if he has access to it and has some preference for it otherwise Enanthate would be my choice.
 
access said:
This is not true Des. Sustanon was originally developed for HRT purposes with the idea being that it could conceivably be injected once a month. Real world applications tell us that this has not turned out to be ideal especially in bodybuilding circles but Sustanon injected once weekly will work perfectly fine for your application. I would certainly try to get on some type of injectible Test from your doc and Sus is just a blend of 4 different Test esters so is an option if he has access to it and has some preference for it otherwise Enanthate would be my choice.
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My doctor doesn't like his patients injecting themselves. I am seeing a second doctor in 2 weeks - i could try and get Sustanon from him.

You don't think highly of Reandron Access? From what I'd read it get my test to about 15-20, which perhaps is something to feel grateful for at this stage.

Also, is Sustanton 250 weekly almost an aas type dosage? Would the doctor think that put you too high (i.e., above the normal range)
 
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Reandron is just Test undecanoate and I think 250mg/ml normally but it does have a long ass half life so you could probably do 2ml shots every two weeks. I think from memory (I haven't lived in Oz for a while now) but Test E, Sus and Reandron are the only "legal" choices for Test injections there. My only thinking with you specifically and your doctor should also be considering this is that your working out on a regular basis, like 4-5 times a week with weights. To obtain maximum benefit from the test injections coupled with your lifestyle (which is also an important consideration) that a weekly injection of Test is going to give you the best benefits and to that end Test E is likely the winner. Sus is not a bad second choice. I mean fuck the doctor in all honesty here Des. Your a grown man and can inject your self on a weekly basis. Make sure he knows your not averse to doing a weekly inject.
 
I will inform him I'm not averse to injecting myself. I'm seeing a second doctor who is quite liberal and is likely to allow frequent injections.

Thanks

access said:
Reandron is just Test undecanoate and I think 250mg/ml normally but it does have a long ass half life so you could probably do 2ml shots every two weeks. I think from memory (I haven't lived in Oz for a while now) but Test E, Sus and Reandron are the only "legal" choices for Test injections there. My only thinking with you specifically and your doctor should also be considering this is that your working out on a regular basis, like 4-5 times a week with weights. To obtain maximum benefit from the test injections coupled with your lifestyle (which is also an important consideration) that a weekly injection of Test is going to give you the best benefits and to that end Test E is likely the winner. Sus is not a bad second choice. I mean fuck the doctor in all honesty here Des. Your a grown man and can inject your self on a weekly basis. Make sure he knows your not averse to doing a weekly inject.
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I just want to see you healthy and enjoying life Des and it's already very apparent exogenous supplementation of testosterone is going to go a long way to vastly improving your overall quality of life. It's just annoying me that these doc's are not apparently willing to see that. I have no problems at all with a doctor being diligent, quite the contrary, but you seem to be getting the round around so much for whatever reason it may be.

Best of luck with this new guy!
 
Well my doctor didn't give me reandron, says he's mystified still by my super low T and now DHEA and wants me to see the hormonal doctor I was referring to. Apparently the 2 are friends and my current doc said the hormonal doc will test for everything, i.e., every testosterone precurser and basically every hormone generally.

My doc wonders if I'm missing some enzyme that converts a precurser to T or some other problem.

So next thursday I see the new guy. I think this is reasonable. I'd like to get to the bottom of the problem as opposed to simply "band-aiding" it.

I still think it has something to do with taking finasteride 2005-7, but no doctor has warmed to this theory.
 
hes online:)

Hi Des!@

I a back if you need anything

As far as your T levels INSIST on a script NOW as you are suffering from low T

dont WAIT till they find out what is you need help NOW



sorry
 
Thanks Omega and Access.

My appointment was scheduled for 1.5 weeks ago, but the doctor was sick and it got postponed. It's now July 14th. I will be pushing for injections. My absorption rate for transdermals is obviously terrible as my last T test was only 9.2 on 100mg daily testogel.

Yes I will be pushing for a higher dosage. The doctor I have now decided to see is quite alternative - he may prefer to treat adrenals more aggressively before Sus 250. Hopefully this saga resolves soon - I can't believe how long its been going
 
NO!

say you have had enough of living like this and demand HELP

enough is enough already

be polite but let him feel the Months/Years of limbo you have been in

YOU are the patient after all
 
But what if he argues that I have fatigued adrenals (my DHEA is super low - not sure about cortisol) and that treating the testosterone aggressively will just worsen the fatigued adrenals?

I have read this in a few places. That's my only reservation. If he says this I'm not sure what to say. Otherwise yes I will demand more aggressive TRT
 
Fuck it.

I think I will establish that (1) I'm sick of the delay in all of this, (2) my leave of absence at the top-tier commercial law firm interstate expires next year and (3) therefore I'd prefer a more aggressive approach to have any chance of returning to work as a lawyer next year. I mean if T gets too high on Sus 250, he can always reduce it.

What a frustrating year
 
Good for you Des. What you have just outlaid is more than ample reasoning as to why you require immediate treatment. This forever ongoing delay must be terribly frustrating. It is for me so can barely imagine the way you feel.
 
desmond said:
Fuck it.

I think I will establish that (1) I'm sick of the delay in all of this, (2) my leave of absence at the top-tier commercial law firm interstate expires next year and (3) therefore I'd prefer a more aggressive approach to have any chance of returning to work as a lawyer next year. I mean if T gets too high on Sus 250, he can always reduce it.

What a frustrating year
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YES do that and also communicate that you KNOW your self ad body VERY well and how topical helped massively but that its not the right way to administer it

push for AT least 200 mgs a week of T and no more then 250
 
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YES do that and also communicate that you KNOW your self ad body VERY well and how topical helped massively but that its not the right way to administer it

push for AT least 200 mgs a week of T and no more then 250
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Saw the new doctor. He said hyper insulin has caused T conversion to E estrogen eventually killing my natural T production.

He wants to retest everything and then prescribe anti-E's, modify diet and trial a "restart" (i.e., no testosterone in 6 weeks) and if this does not work prescribe test e or reandron.

His explanation was quite complicated so i can't really relay it properly.

But i this this is a reasonable outcome. He assumes i have insulin resistance and said all my readings for anything (eg platelets etc) were like an old person's.
 
Well he is trying to put you through a form of "PCT" in a way

he does not want you to be dependent on injects so if this 6 weeks does not pan out its good to know he will put you on Test injects after

insulin issues elevates cortisol, thus making T and E ratios skewed slowly but surely shifting endocrine balance toward a bad end.
 
that's like he said.

And just to let you know, he said my T should in the upper third of the normal range and estrogen should be 20-30.

So to let you know at the end of the day, even if the PCT way doesn't work, he's not going to allow me to leave until my hormones are at these levels.

At least from a bodybuilding perspective, I understand estrogen < 30 is quite good and having testosterone in the upper third is a decent outcome. My bodyfat has never been too high so i reckon with controlled insulin, low estrogen, it should be very easy for me to bulk leanly.

I think Omega he is a good doctor who will act fairly quickly and resolve my issues.

His waiting list was 5 months. I wish I saw him first and wasn't fucked around so much.

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Well he is trying to put you through a form of "PCT" in a way

he does not want you to be dependent on injects so if this 6 weeks does not pan out its good to know he will put you on Test injects after

insulin issues elevates cortisol, thus making T and E ratios skewed slowly but surely shifting endocrine balance toward a bad end.
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Doesn't sound like too bad of an outcome Des. He's just dotting all the I's and crossing the T's. At least he vocied his opinion on where he wants you to be and seemingly is going to get you there one way or the other.
 
I'm wondering whether I should push for any particular AI.

He probably has his favourites. From what I have read aromasin is the best but others seem more common. This doctor is very big on estrogen management though (has written a book which covered this significantly) so I will defer to his opinion most probably - anyone here have a particular opinion?

I'm also going to push for reandron shots every 8 weeks if that's possible. There has been a study on these every 6 and 10 weeks. Every 10 weeks leads to total test about 60-65% of the highest of the normal range, every 6 weeks leads to total test about 120-130% of the normal range, so every 8 weeks I will argue is my optimal level.

Hopefully once this is all done (<12 weeks) I can become at least from a bodybuilding perspective big and ripped. I figure I have had made progress on test levels 3% of normal, so I must have decent potential once all my hormones are firing properly.
 
You'll kick ass Des once you get some Test circulating.

Aromasin would be my choice also but arimidex does the job perfectly well.
 
like Iggy Said and Acess it feels like he is trust worthy

But dont forget to be your strongest advocate and keep pushing for what you need..


As far as the AI you may not need one at all,
BUT you should have Aromasen on hand and use it 2-3 times a week at 10-15 mgs per dose ( if your on a hrt dose not cycle)
 
access said:
You'll kick ass Des once you get some Test circulating.

Aromasin would be my choice also but arimidex does the job perfectly well.
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He gave me reandron (he says that test e and sustonon are test ethers and convert more readily to DHT than natural test) and he's arranged for the order of (haven't received) micronised arimidex.

I must say I'm less happy about micronised arimidex, simply because I'm slightly distrustful of transdermals. He claimed that oral arimidex is prohibitively costly which I may try and dispute next time I see him.

What is micronised arimidex supposed to be like?
 
That doesn't make sense Des as reandron is testosterone undecanoate and they all have an ester attached.

I have never heard of micronized Arimidex TBH but this isn't a transdermal though is it?
 
Yes I will press him on the reandron point when I see him next.

However, I will get a T test first. Reandron levels take a while to hit their peak, from which point they are quite stable. Reandron is quite convenient so if T levels are acceptable I will stick with that.

Micronised Arimidex is transdermal yes. I think it costs me $2 AUD ($1.7US) per day. My concern was absorption of the transdermal but I guess time will tell.

From what I have read AI's take a while to have an effect.
 
I have no problems with the reandron just found it odd that your guy would make such a point. As long as your getting a decent dose it's going to do the trick for you no matter so just happy to see you getting some test circulating in there!

Well that is a new one for me with the adex. I guess would work fine and TBH you may not even need much of an AI. See how you respond once your into the cycle with the reandron.
 
access said:
I have no problems with the reandron just found it odd that your guy would make such a point. As long as your getting a decent dose it's going to do the trick for you no matter so just happy to see you getting some test circulating in there!

Well that is a new one for me with the adex. I guess would work fine and TBH you may not even need much of an AI. See how you respond once your into the cycle with the reandron.
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In the last test, my T was 9 and E was 65 i think.

So I think the AI is needed.

My doctor said 20-30 is the E goal
 
Haven't posted for ages. Thought I would drop by.

Current physique is attached (this is cold after eating - my prior photos were all right after workouts).

This year has been interesting - i haven't really overcome the medical issues I previously detailed. I appear to have every endocrine issue there is, namely clinical:
(1) adrenal fatigue (high cortisol/low DHEA)
(2) low T
(3) insulin resistance
(4) IGF deficiency
(5) Reverse T3 dominance syndrome.

No one really knows why this has happened, although I blame finasteride.

I'm on reandron injections for the testosterone, but for reasons no one knows, my test levels have only risen to 11 (measured few wees ago). I'm hoping the dr raises my injection amounts next time I see him.

He's put me on arimidex, dhea keto 7, and just recently slow release T3. The latter appears to be deterimental, the dhea keto 7 has improved muscle inflammation and I'm not sure really if the arimidex was that necessary. He was gong to try IGF next time I see him I think.

My main goal is for him to give me more test - he's against test E though b/c he claims it converts to readily to DHT. I don't want to pursue this on the black market at least anytime soon - my goal is really only to gain 5kg more long term anyway, which I assume I can do merely by normal test levels

I'm very pleased that I'm in decent shape despite these issues, but wonder what I would look like without these issues.
 
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