I've HAD IT w/WSB!

[Night Fly]

I'm sorry that you have gotten frustrated with it so easily. I don't do anything WS, so I can't say anything about it. Why don't you change it up and see how that works?...I do the basic movements...DL, Squat, Overhead press...for my strongman and then I do accessory exercises with more weight. I haven't had a drop yet...and get PR's most every week. I've been doing it since February.

Don't know if that helped at all...but sorry that you are frustrated.

 

[The Shadow]

ck - you had goos success with the old school program...

what about fusing the de and me upper lower days and using the other exercises in the other program as support?

 

[spatts]

I'm not saying this because my routine is based on Westside...if you were a woman on the women's board that was training old school I'd say the same thing, but 5 weeks doesn't sound like much time to me.

My DE days are never more than 40%...let alone 60%.

I couldn't get through WSB without active recovery...I'd be overtrained, and I'd see NO carry over whatsoever (sound familiar)?

Did you test all three lifts at once? Are you comparing those numbers to days you didn't test them back to back?

Where are your bench, dead, and squat gettin stuck? Top? Bottom? Please be specific. Has your speed increased?

 

[Deciever1]

CK- sry to hear that man... where are the pics???

here's a suggestion..

keep your speed days... it'll help you learn form and get quicker..

instead of rotating exercises for ME days, just do a type of old school routine or something, just make sure your doing a lot of full range movements.

i didnt think a bunch of partial movements would help you since you dont use equipment...

if you need help PM me

 

[CrimsonKing]

wow.. you girls are tuff..

Night Fly - Frustrated so easily?? lol.. well i guess so just have this crazy idea that work should provide steps forward not backward..

Spatts - my old PR came as a result of following Cornholio's Old School 3 day week routine and no it wasn't measured on the same day. I'm not sure I buy off on the active recovery idea. sounds like alot of work for an old guy like me I think I need actual rest on my off days not dragging, etc. But I could be wrong .

My Bench is stuck on the bottom.. I read some good articles and I think I'm starting to adress it with better form.

My Dead tonight was too weird. The bar speed was awesome. I did -
135 x 5
215 x 5
315 x 3
395 x 1

All lifts the bar flew up so easily and smoothly I was convinced that I was going to smash my PR.. then

415 - Fail around Shins
415 - Fail on start
415 - Fail on Start

My last PR was 428 only three weeks ago
I was resting 4 min between sets on the DL btw

I'm thinking I need to tinker with my ME days.. eliminate the board press, GMs and DL, and stick with basic Bench, Squat, Press movements in a 3-8 rep range instead.

Thanks for the feedback guys/gals I do need and apreciate it.. keep it comming.

 

[b fold the truth]

Still trying to figure out why you are testing your PR's after 4 weeks of training... How many of those weeks have you been doing WSB correctly?

You are learning to squat, bench press, and deadlift differently...which means that it takes time to improve at them compared to the way that you used to do them.

Just a thought...

B True

 

[CrimsonKing]

Still trying to figure out why you are testing your PR's after 4 weeks of training... How many of those weeks have you been doing WSB correctly?

You are learning to squat, bench press, and deadlift differently...which means that it takes time to improve at them compared to the way that you used to do them.

Just a thought...

B True

DAMN U CLINT AND YOUR RATIONAL EXPLANATIONS! IM ON A TIRADE HERE

 

[Night Fly]

We're tuff??? hehe...you should have known that by now!

I mean the 'getting frustrated so easily' part like this... I knew that you hadn't done it for very long....is all I meant. Like I said...I have been training like this since February and have YET to test my maxes. If that is what you are going for...then maybe you should stick to it a bit longer before you test them...you may be surprised at what you find out.

 

[CrimsonKing]

Alright.. You all win.. I'm too used to instant gratification i guess...

I'll still going to tweak it a little especially on the ME days.. and I will wait longer until testing my 1RM..

but if it doesnt' work ..


I'll hunt you down!-lol j/k

 

[spatts]

In my first month of WSB, I had to change form on EVERYTHING. My numbers sank...and FAST. My bench was at the bar, my squat went from 315 to 225, my deadlift was stuck in the 200's as well. It sucked, but I knew it was because I was learning to do things with better form...a form the would ultimately allow me to take one step back so I could later take two steps forward.

This cycle never ends. Just tonight, I barely deadlifted 309 and failed 364....even though 353 flew up last week. Just having an off night. It happens. My squats felt weak too.

I KNOW that sometimes my body slows me down because it's smart. I dealt with this ALL my life in sprint training. I would get really slow for a week or two...like my body was doing some building and recovering, and wasn't going to expend extra energy for me to run too. Then, all of a suddden, BAM, 2/10 off my time. Same goes for training. I will hit 80 pound PR's for weeks on end. Then stay stagnant for 2-3 weeks (even went BACKWARDS once, which REALLY pissed me off), then before I knew what happened, the 265 squat hit 320...just like that.

You're body's smart. Listen to it.

We don't know for sure if you're using proper form. We don't know how closely you really adhere to the program. We don't know what you really eat.

If you think sled dragging is active recovery, you need to read the sticky up top. I went from being paralyzed from the chest down after a deadlift to doing 243 for 3 in bent over, chain suspended GM's starting from 36 inches off the floor....I did it in less than 8 weeks, and I did it with bands. Active recovery. 2-3 times a day.

If I didn't do Band AR, hot tub, massage, ice, eat properly, sleep, supplement as needed...there's no way I'd see results. This is HARD on your body. Your CNS gets F%^&*ED.

I don't know if WSB works for you or not, but I'm not sure you've given it enough time for YOU to know either.

When you first PMd me and asked me for a routine, I gave you the basics. There are SO many details, SO many form issues, SO many modifications to accessory work for weak points. If you were doing WSB in the most optimal fashion possible, I'd be VERY impressed.