is milk good or bad for muscle and bones?

[yunusmile]

i spent an entire week reading and everyone is saying something different.

some says milk is good. peta and vegans are making propoganda
some says milk is bad. milk companies are making propoganda

i guess there isnt anyone who are from milk company here at least and most of us eat meat. what is your personal experience ? does milk really cause weak bones and bad for stomach or does it have good calcium for stronger bones? high protein diet needs high calcium so i am gonna get crazy until i can learn the fact

note: i am not lactose tolerant. have no allergy to milk . i can drink 2 litres a day and stomach is fine. i sweat too much so drink more than 3 litres of water a day and i lack many minerals because of that.

 

[yunusmile]

and some says milk has too much growth hormone and ıgf-1 . if thats the casse i guess we would all drink milk instead of using gear . if it really has that much igf-1 and gh would it harm our pct ?

 

[stevesmi]

humans are incapable of digesting lactose. atleast the majority of us. no mammal on earth drinks milk past infancy.

milk is an acid, it actually depletes the body of minerals like calcium.. it doesn't add. want proof? the US drinks more milk than any other country yet we have the higest osteroperosis, countries in south asia drink little to no milk and osteoperosis doesn't exist in those countries. coincidence?

i haven't drank milk in almost a decade and I'm healthier for it.

take that for what its worth.

 

[Rayca]

I just started drinking milk again after many years of not. I don't have any issues with it at all. I don't drink it for the calcium influence but for the protein/carb you get from it. It's the perfect food. Obviously, babies survive from it. Whey is a dirivitive of of milk, yogurt, cheese. That would be an entire food group to abandon but I understand some folks can't tolerate it. There is also such a thing as lactose deficiency not just intolerance. I wonder how many folks just think they might be or are intolerant. I was on that rant for like ever but found I just don't have a problem with it. I don't drink gobs of it but I have it in the morning on cereal or in smoothies with whey. It's very filling and keeps me satisfied for a long stretch.

 

[adivol]

Milk is always best for your health, There are many good values of having milk, It makes your muscle, bones strong.

 

[Jack steel]

I've always had strong bones and drink lots o milk. 1-2 gallons a week atm

 

[Markss]

I'm also with this idea mate. Milk is proper diet for health and fitness. It has all important nutrition of diet. Milk can prove extremely helpful in fighting against gout. It is big source of calcium, which is essential for bones.

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[Albert088]

I agree milk is good of health and bones if you drink it with a limited quantity but if you drink it madly like gallons in a day then it can be dengours. This situation can lead the heart dieases. More usage of milk can also cause for fatty body. It is good in some situations but also bad in some.

 

[bigpokey]

cool story bro

 

[bigb401]

I dont like milk but I drink it in my protein shakes cause I dont like the taste made with water. Dont drink the milk after I eat cereal. Also I use milk in shakes to get the extra calories as well.

 

[Jacquesgeneraal]

Here's a link to a good article on milk or dairy...

http://www.simplyshredded.com/the-m...d-make-dairy-a-part-of-their-daily-diets.html

 

[goin on 4T]

Milk is comprised of sugars and fats. So no it's not good for you.


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[RickRock13]

humans are incapable of digesting lactose. atleast the majority of us. no mammal on earth drinks milk past infancy.

milk is an acid, it actually depletes the body of minerals like calcium.. it doesn't add. want proof? the US drinks more milk than any other country yet we have the higest osteroperosis, countries in south asia drink little to no milk and osteoperosis doesn't exist in those countries. coincidence?

i haven't drank milk in almost a decade and I'm healthier for it.

take that for what its worth.

^Exactly. I avoid milk with a passion. Milk is very detrimental to your body composition and overall health. Just stay away from it

 

[stevesmi]

Milk is always best for your health, There are many good values of having milk, It makes your muscle, bones strong.

no sir it does not. it makes your bones weaker. its an ACID. it depletes your bones of minerals and vitamins... I haven't touched milk in a decade and my calcium levels are completely normal and so is my entire mineral profile.

if you want stronger bones eat a lot of green veggies and good quality water. oh and get a lot of sun for vitamin D.

 

[stevesmi]

Here's a link to a good article on milk or dairy...

The Muscle Booster Report: Why Bodybuilders Should Make Dairy A Part Of Their Daily Diets | SimplyShredded.com

the author of that article says that we should drink organic whole raw milk. yet he doesn't tell you that such a thing doesn't exist, atleast in the US.

so that entire article is shit.

the milk you buy from the store is pasteurized junk. its not even real milk

its like buying Sunny Delight or orange soda and considering that real orange juice. nonsense!

 

[Headholio]

milk is an acid, it actually depletes the body of minerals like calcium.. it doesn't add. want proof? the US drinks more milk than any other country yet we have the higest osteroperosis, countries in south asia drink little to no milk and osteoperosis doesn't exist in those countries. coincidence?

How much of that Osteoporosis is due to sedentary lifestyle?

 

[bigdeem]

I switched to using water for shakes. I've never bought into the whole "milk for calcium and bone health". I'll just go buy some cheap ass calcium pill any day over drinking milk and having my saliva feel thick and sticky for 1-2 hours+

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[stevesmi]

How much of that Osteoporosis is due to sedentary lifestyle?

take away the fat states like texas, kentucky, arkansas and west dixie and we are actually more active than people think we are. even as active as Asian countries

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but yeah of course the sedentary lifestyle is a killer across the board on all kinds of health problems, dairy adds to that problem on top of it.. as does way way way way too much fast food and meat consumption

 

[Wontonsupe]

Hip, hip, hooray for milk. I love chocolate milke too.

 

[stevesmi]

Hip, hip, hooray for milk. I love chocolate milke too.

and thats why you are overweight and you posted a thread wondering why you felt bloated and tired.

still don't see the connection huh?

chocolate milk??? lol seriousluy? are you like 12 years old?

 

[muscleaddiction]

Milk does NOT do a body good...actually the opposite! Almond milk is where it is at, goes best with everything! Do yourselves a favor and stay clear of milk...you will be much better off!

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[Wontonsupe]

and thats why you are overweight and you posted a thread wondering why you felt bloated and tired.

still don't see the connection huh?

chocolate milk??? lol seriousluy? are you like 12 years old?

Well I'm trying. I'm not from USA so sorry if I seem bad. Just trying to learn and get feedback. I guess you gave me feedback.

 

[Jack steel]

ALL humans are not incapable of digesting lactose, but some are... calcium is a great benefit of milk, but be careful because in the absence of lactose, you won't absorb the calcium. Lactose is a catalyst for the absorption of calcium. Lactase (the enzyme neede to digest lactose) is released in the small instestine, hence is digested in the small instestine.

 

[jojo_blu]

I started having stomach problems when I was 15. I went to a stomach specialist. The Dr told me I'm lactose intolerant & that milk is not good for the stomach. Even if you drink milk all the time, its not good for your stomach.
Some people say milk has vitamins. Well I say that's what vitamins are for. I'd rather take a multi vitamin than drink nasty smelling, nasty tasting milk.
I haven't drank milk for the last 20 years. I didn't like it when I was a kid. I made my cereal w/ juice, Hawaiian punch, etc...
I may be biased cause I hate the smell & taste & because I'm lactose int., but the stomach Dr. Told me milk is not good for a persons stomach.
Take a multi vitamin to promote healthy bones.
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[stevesmi]

Well I'm trying. I'm not from USA so sorry if I seem bad. Just trying to learn and get feedback. I guess you gave me feedback.

PM me your diet and I will set u up and you will lose weight..

you problem is too much sugar and calories. a lot of foods you are eating that you think are good for you are NOT... your other thread where you posted your breakfast is cereal for example.. you aren't gonna lose weight eating cereal for breakfast man. you need to swap that out for something like 3 eggs instead. such a little thing like that can make a huge difference

do you even realize how much sugar is in cereal with milk? and chocolate milk you have got to be kidding me.. thats probably more sugar just in 1 glass then you should be drinking in an entire day.. I don't know how old you are but you gotta start eating like a man. and men don't eat captain crunch for breakfast, we eat eggs. cocoa crispies is a TREAT, so is frosted flakes or whatever cereal you are eating. its not something that a healthy person eats but maybe once a month. I know the commercials on tv tell you they are good for you but they are not.

 

[stevesmi]

Milk is best thing for muscles and bones. it is wrong to say that milk is bad for muscles and bones. Milk provides our body strength and many health benefits so it is good to drink milk daily.
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the best thing for bones is vitamin D which you get from the sun. why do you think that people in northern europe and near the arctic have vit D deficiencies? hmmmm..

as a personal trainer sadly it doesn't surprise me that you don't know that

 

[stevesmi]

Milk does NOT do a body good...actually the opposite! Almond milk is where it is at, goes best with everything! Do yourselves a favor and stay clear of milk...you will be much better off!

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I will one up you and say Hemp Milk.. its expensive and sometimes hard to find.. but its by far the most healthy milk out there.

 

[rustilldown]

the best thing for bones is vitamin D which you get from the sun. why do you think that people in northern europe and near the arctic have vit D deficiencies? hmmmm..

as a personal trainer sadly it doesn't surprise me that you don't know that

Lol^ milk is shit. Took me forever to figure out what was making me feel so shitty bloated and gassy . Until I cut dairy out of my diet i had never seen a 6pack after 6pm. Occasionally ill have Greek yogurt before bed with some almonds or pb or something of that source, but if you want calcium and vit d go out and get some sun and take a multi it will do your body more good than a glass of milk, or chocolate milk for that matter... Don't listen to them stupid basketball commercials where the guy slamming the chocolate milk is running laps around the competitors, if anything he's probably farting and bloating

 

[Wontonsupe]

Thank you, Stevesmi! I didn't know that cereal had so much sugar. I looked at the box. Wow! I don't like eggs too much but I could try them with something on top of them? That might help me to like them. I looked at the milk too. Lots of sugar. I thought it was protein and some carbos. I will write down my diets.

 

[Jack steel]

no sir it does not. it makes your bones weaker. its an ACID. it depletes your bones of minerals and vitamins... I haven't touched milk in a decade and my calcium levels are completely normal and so is my entire mineral profile.

if you want stronger bones eat a lot of green veggies and good quality water. oh and get a lot of sun for vitamin D.

Stevesmi, from what i've heard you say, you are unable to digest lactose (which is the primary catalyst for helping your body absrorb the calcium in milk.... therefore, no, for you and those who cannot tolerate milk, you will not getting stronger bones because you dont absorb either the lactose nor the calcium. It's not an acid bro. These "facts" everyone keeps throwing around about milk are not even close to being true about 100% of the population, meaning it's something wrong with those of you who can't digest milk. Not trying to be rude, but saying milk is an acid is just flat out not true. All due respect.

 

[Jack steel]

and thats why you are overweight and you posted a thread wondering why you felt bloated and tired.

still don't see the connection huh?

chocolate milk??? lol seriousluy? are you like 12 years old?

Again, saying that's why he feels bloated and tired is just a huge assumption. I just drank a bunch of milk and i never feel bloated or tired. Another thing... you all keep saying milk is all fat and sugar... well excluding the 8g of protein per cup, who is gonna make the argument now that all sugar and fat in themselves are bad things? How much of that fat is saturated? How much is good fat? When is sugar beneficial to the body for restoring glycogen? If you drink it THEN then why would it be bad for you? Oh, wait, you may mention again that we cant digest any of the sugar in milk. Why? Lol, im not trying to start shit, but i think its funny how all you guys that i look up to so much for all the FACTS are just regurgitating things about milk that is completely 100% unproven and all hear-say.

 

[gonzo29]

Just mix water with chocolate cytosport whey protein tastes exactly like chocolate milk i use it whenever i eat cereal.

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[muscleaddiction]

Again, saying that's why he feels bloated and tired is just a huge assumption. I just drank a bunch of milk and i never feel bloated or tired. Another thing... you all keep saying milk is all fat and sugar... well excluding the 8g of protein per cup, who is gonna make the argument now that all sugar and fat in themselves are bad things? How much of that fat is saturated? How much is good fat? When is sugar beneficial to the body for restoring glycogen? If you drink it THEN then why would it be bad for you? Oh, wait, you may mention again that we cant digest any of the sugar in milk. Why? Lol, im not trying to start shit, but i think its funny how all you guys that i look up to so much for all the FACTS are just regurgitating things about milk that is completely 100% unproven and all hear-say.

This is kind of ironic...because it comes down to if the cow is grass-fed or corn/grain-fed. If corn/grain fed then the cows are given antibiotics and hormones, the cows suffer from acid and will die prematurely if not given antibiotics and guess what, the milk and meat produced from that cow is acidic. So in turn the milk you are consuming is acidic...also guess what other crap comes from feed lots of cows fed corn and grain...e-coli...yup, another disease passed onto us. So what happens when the human body has to neutralize acid...it pulls calcium to combat it...where does the calcium come from...our bones. So Steve is right when it comes to the acid from the milk causing bloat and also the fact that milk does not help with the calcium in the bones, but rather pulls it from them to combat acid from the corn/grain fed cows...look it up, first place I heard of this was in the movie Forks Over Knives, one of many good movies to watch about our current food supply to feed the masses for the cheapest possible way.

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[Headholio]

This is kind of ironic...because it comes down to if the cow is grass-fed or corn/grain-fed. If corn/grain fed then the cows are given antibiotics and hormones, the cows suffer from acid and will die prematurely if not given antibiotics and guess what, the milk and meat produced from that cow is acidic. So in turn the milk you are consuming is acidic...also guess what other crap comes from feed lots of cows fed corn and grain...e-coli...yup, another disease passed onto us. So what happens when the human body has to neutralize acid...it pulls calcium to combat it...where does the calcium come from...our bones. So Steve is right when it comes to the acid from the milk causing bloat and also the fact that milk does not help with the calcium in the bones, but rather pulls it from them to combat acid from the corn/grain fed cows...look it up, first place I heard of this was in the movie Forks Over Knives, one of many good movies to watch about our current food supply to feed the masses for the cheapest possible way.

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Got a link to support any of that?

 

[muscleaddiction]

Got a link to support any of that?

Go onto Netfix if you have it and it is either Food Inc. or Forks Over Knives that discusses this more, you can Google it bro and you will find all kinds of information about it...but you will find both sides. Do as you please and believe what you want to believe, but there is some sense to it all...bottom line, cows are not meant to eat corn or grain, they eat grass and hay. I will not eat meat from a corn fed cow if I can help it. I live in an area where I buy 1/2 a grass fed cow a year, and it is legit. Do your research if you want to know more, not doing your homework for you lol.


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[Headholio]

Do your research if you want to know more, not doing your homework for you lol.

It is not that I want you to do my homework for me. It is not out of line to ask someone who is spewing a bunch of so called scientific facts to provide support for them on an internet forum.

The whole concept of corn fed cow milk being more acidic than grass fed sounds like BS to me, and I know a bit about biochemistry. And I did Google it.

If I say anything on this board, feel free to challenge me on it. I will back up everything I say, because I don't believe shit unless its proven, and I don't say shit unless I have the evidence.

I don't think its out of line to ask for references. That's the difference between a valuable thread and a bunch of internet babble.

I will check Food Inc and Forks over Knives. But from what I have read about forks over knives, it isn't exactly unbiased science (likewise with most other diet advice books).

 

[Headholio]

Conjugated linoleic acid in milk is an anti carcinogen:

Conjugated linoleic acid. A powerful anticarcinogen from animal fat sources - Lp - 2006 - Cancer - Wiley Online Library


Milk supports muscle growth:

Milk: the new sports drink? A Review

Milk improves muscle recovery:

"Supplementation, Exercise Recovery, and Performance" by Lisa Ferguson-Stegall, Erin McCleave et al.

On the downside, you can find studies linking dairy consumption to Parkinsons, disease, and prostate cancer, among other things.

Like most foods, you can make a positive or negative case, but demonizing milk seems a bit overboard to me.

 

[stevesmi]

every person I deal with in real life or on the board who has trouble gaining weight I tell them to drop the milk and magically they lose weight.

most of the studies out there on milk are done by the dairy industry. there are also studies that say gatorade is good for you too. and subway helped jared go from obese to just fat and now he bangs a bunch of hot chicks and its the official restaurant of 'athletes everywhere'. I have so many arguements with idiots on sports forums who eat subway and claim its good for them .. same with gatorade. its because of the advertising

Michael Jordan and many olympic athletes eat mcdonalds too, thats their secret to their success don't ya know!! lets remember these businesses and industries are billion dollar industries and they will put out whatever studies they want to prove their point and use advertising and propaganda. to add to it the corn and dairy industry in the US is a major player.. 12 states rely on those crops because of their farming industries, thats a lot of firepower to try and overcome. corn is another discussion but it should also be avoided like the plague and corn syrup is a major reason for obesity in the US.

the best study is real life studies and experience.

if you are doing well on milk, then continue on. but I will stay far away. been there and done that. I have already posted about my stomach issues growing up and the health problems i went through because I was a milkaholic. so if you want to play with fire thats your decision. I'm not demonizing milk. milk is actually a cheap way for many in rural areas of the country to use for their cereals, foods, drinks etc. without it many would not afford to eat because lets face it they never met a piece of meat or sugar they didn't like. however this isn't the Honey BOOBOO website.. this is elite fitness and here we try and teach the best ways to get nutrition hence yes I will gladly demonize something I feel should be avoided to be healthy same goes for corn syrup and same goes for gatorade

 

[Jack steel]

This is kind of ironic...because it comes down to if the cow is grass-fed or corn/grain-fed. If corn/grain fed then the cows are given antibiotics and hormones, the cows suffer from acid and will die prematurely if not given antibiotics and guess what, the milk and meat produced from that cow is acidic. So in turn the milk you are consuming is acidic...also guess what other crap comes from feed lots of cows fed corn and grain...e-coli...yup, another disease passed onto us. So what happens when the human body has to neutralize acid...it pulls calcium to combat it...where does the calcium come from...our bones. So Steve is right when it comes to the acid from the milk causing bloat and also the fact that milk does not help with the calcium in the bones, but rather pulls it from them to combat acid from the corn/grain fed cows...look it up, first place I heard of this was in the movie Forks Over Knives, one of many good movies to watch about our current food supply to feed the masses for the cheapest possible way.

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Assuming this is true... The milk also contains extra calcium so as not to reduce reserves from bones.

 

[freelancerselit]

Milk is natural thing and It makes your bones strong

 

[ALIN]

I absolutely love milk and have drank it for many years. I think its very helful for both bones and muscle health.

 

[Jigga14]

Milk is natural thing and It makes your bones strong

Sorry but I have to comment here. Cow milk is natural to cows and their calfs. Just because it occurs in nature doesn't mean it's natural for humans to drink.

There is a percentage of the human population who are lactose intolerant and cannot drink milk. Personally I love milk, but it makes me feel bloated. If it works for you go for it, lots of good protein and calcium.

 

[LiftLearnLove]

just drink water nothing else and u will live a healthyer life..

I was milk crazy awhile back so glad I dont drink it anymore...

Stop been bitches and just drink water nothing else except the occasional beer

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[avas]

Milk is natural thing , both good or bad . I think 99 % good and 1% bad for health . Milk is very helpful for bones and muscles . The milk also contains extra calcium and not to reduce reserve bones. milk support to muscle growth . but , you have drink plenty of milk then defiantly is not to good for health.




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[avas]

I have drink one glass of milk daily morning and evening .

 

[JewJitsu012]

I love almond milk, haven't drank milk in years unless i absolutely have to - but what about whey? we eat that stuff up!

 

[freakshow85]

Drink milk before bedtime... Wake up with puffy nips.

 

[LauraJ]

Milk is naturally nutrient-rich and balanced with a unique proportion of carbs and protein, it builds strong bones and teeth

 

[Oatmeal12]

GOAMAD. I drank a gallon of almond milk a day (no sugar added) got swole son...

 

[Jack steel]

This is a stupid question. Nt meanig to offed but common sense should've trumped the years of misinformation and lies the "authorities" have pumped into the air by now. Are there some unnatural things put in milk nowadays? Yes, for sure. Those things may be bad for us in some ways but MILK itself is one of the best things you can intake. Too bad society has fucked them up for all of us.

 

[Jack steel]

Sorry for the attitude earlier. I'm just livid at big pharma for continuously spreading propaganda like this. They also said multivitamins were bad for you and vitamin c is bad for you and ALL fat is bad for you. They just want you to stop drinking it so you'll pay them for drugs to fix your broken femur later on.

 

[musclemom]

Actually organic, raw (unpasteurized) milk is available in America just not everywhere, you have to go looking for it. In Cali they (at least used to) sell it right on the grocery shelves, here in PA you can buy it from private sellers (directly from the farm or small stores -- my health food store sells several varieties, some you need to preorder and do a jug exchange, my coop only sells raw milk from one farm). It's a controversial subject beyond the whole milk issue. Some people say you're playing with dynamite and just asking for food borne disease, others swear that it's helped or healed health issues including food allergies and other chronic health problems.

 

[Jack steel]

I heard the government was screwing people for selling unpasteurized milk. I'm sure it's not everywhere

 

[Jack steel]

For example: women who breast feed and have a problem that keeps them from feeding are suggested to use donkey milk because it's closest to humans. A lady had child protective services trying to take her baby for it. Then I could go on for hours about other shitty government stories.

 

[musclemom]

I heard the government was screwing people for selling unpasteurized milk. I'm sure it's not everywhere

Like I said, the issue is controversial. There's a movie titled "Farmageddon" on Netflix that comes to mind that makes the Agriculture Dept. sound like Nazis. There are a few other documentaries that touch on the subject too, and in complete truth that is my sole knowledge and every story has two sides so there is that.

In all honesty, I don't trust the govt. to have our best interests at heart and there's some shit I just don't get which to me makes no sense unless you look at things from the pure angle of greed. Shit like water being fluoridated, no labeling requirements for GMOs and cigarettes still being legal.

This raw milk thing ... I've heard of all sorts of massive food borne illness outbreaks from everything like bagged lettuce and radishes to melons and salad bars but honestly, never raw milk. I'm sure it happens but c'mon, you take a risk every time you cross the street or get into a car. Seems to me waaaaay more people are in danger of harm from tobacco than raw milk. Hell, for that matter most raw hamburger is a bacteria fiesta, if the govt. wants to protect us why do they even allow it to be in supermarkets?! It's just stupid. And when it gets to the level that people who want to own their own animals are being told what they can and cannot do personally with the products of those animals you really have to ask WTF is going on here?

 

[Zyglamail]

Processed and toxic milk aside there is a huge problem with the magnesium to calcium ration in the typical modern diet and high calcium levels are now a primary risk factor in heard disease.

 

[Jack steel]

Processed and toxic milk aside there is a huge problem with the magnesium to calcium ration in the typical modern diet and high calcium levels are now a primary risk factor in heard disease.

Perhaps but that's not milk's fault there's calcium in a lot of healthy foods and unhealthy foods. In response to muscle mom: they are Nazis LOL I don't distinguish them from Monsanto or any of the other bureaucratic corporate assholes that sue people for having crops contaminated with Monsanto GMO which is not their fault. And I won't keep going into CPS and the tyrannical excuses they take children from their parents for.
Back to calcium... Bones are made of it so this is a no-brainer answer to thread original question. Mother Nature didn't make a creature so magnificent and perfect and then totally fuck up the only food that can be made by the human body. Yes it was made for babies but I see no reason it should cause health problems unless one's body is having some issues itself. Having said that, I'll say what I always say: it's not the milk's fault it's your body's fault. Not you, zyglamail, but you as in whomever is having health problems from natural milk

 

[Zyglamail]

Back to calcium... Bones are made of it so this is a no-brainer answer to thread original question.

And thats the kind of thinking that causes problems. Just because bones are made of it does not mean we need to take in excess. On the contrary, excess causes big problems, especially when done without getting the various other nutrients needed.

Calcium does not just goto bone by itself, it requires other cofactors to get there. Without the other cofactors the calcium doesnt goto bone, it calcifies joints and arteries causing problems.

So, milk in moderation isnt a problem, preferably fresh from the farm. But when you start drinking a glass a few times a day you are undoubtedly getting much more than you need and causing problems.

 

[Jack steel]

And thats the kind of thinking that causes problems. Just because bones are made of it does not mean we need to take in excess. On the contrary, excess causes big problems, especially when done without getting the various other nutrients needed.



Calcium does not just goto bone by itself, it requires other cofactors to get there. Without the other cofactors the calcium doesnt goto bone, it calcifies joints and arteries causing problems.



So, milk in moderation isnt a problem, preferably fresh from the farm. But when you start drinking a glass a few times a day you are undoubtedly getting much more than you need and causing problems.

I couldn't argue that maybe in excess it could cause some problems in some people. Although I drink about a gallon every 2-3 days, so what is the factor that makes this happen sometimes and other times have no negative effect? Also what keeps this from happening to children and animals that drink far more than 3 glasses a day? If you drink lactose free milk you definitely are screwing yourself as well because lactose is the catalyst that let's us absorb the calcium in milk. I've had strong bones my whole life and I attribute it to milk all the way. I'm a junkie. So again, I have to stick to my theory that this is a problem wholly sitting with the person who's getting sick from milk... Unless of course I and other people have health problems that strangely help us consume more milk and be okay. That actually sounds more like a super power though.

 

[Jack steel]

Also make sure you stay away from cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, regular yogurt, cream cheese, sour creme, and all cheeses because those are all just milk essentially as well and have high calcium content.

 

[Zyglamail]

I couldn't argue that maybe in excess it could cause some problems in some people. Although I drink about a gallon every 2-3 days, so what is the factor that makes this happen sometimes and other times have no negative effect? Also what keeps this from happening to children and animals that drink far more than 3 glasses a day? If you drink lactose free milk you definitely are screwing yourself as well because lactose is the catalyst that let's us absorb the calcium in milk. I've had strong bones my whole life and I attribute it to milk all the way. I'm a junkie. So again, I have to stick to my theory that this is a problem wholly sitting with the person who's getting sick from milk... Unless of course I and other people have health problems that strangely help us consume more milk and be okay. That actually sounds more like a super power though.

I have strong bones as well but dont drink much milk at all and only a little yogurt here and there.

Calcium excess, like any excess or deficiency doesnt just happen, its not like turning on a switch thats either on or off. Its the slow excess over time that causes undesirable changes. A good many of the things people start to notice in their late 30's or so are actually due to nutritional imbalances that have been occurring over the course of their lifetime. Yes calcium is essential, im not arguing against it. Im simply saying that it, like many nutrients, work in conjunction with others and in certain ratios. Skew the ratio too far in any one direction and you cause problems over time.

Calcium cant properly do its job with out vit A, D and K. Someone from nothern climates likely doesnt get the same amount of D as a landscaper in florida, and Many people dont get much vit K at all.

Your entitled to your opinion and can believe your theory all youd like but if you want a more scientific look at it, check out the new book by Dr Levy called "Death by Calcium".

In his newest book, Death by Calcium, board-certified cardiologist, Thomas E. Levy, offers scientific proof that the regular intake of dairy and calcium supplementation promotes all known chronic degenerative diseases and significantly shortens life. Written for both the layperson and scientist, Dr. Levy explains the dangers inherent in supplementing with calcium. "It is now clear that excess dietary calcium, as is realized with the routine ingestion of milk and other calcium-laden dairy foods, is also a toxic and potentially life-shortening practice."

 

[Jack steel]

I have strong bones as well but dont drink much milk at all and only a little yogurt here and there.



Calcium excess, like any excess or deficiency doesnt just happen, its not like turning on a switch thats either on or off. Its the slow excess over time that causes undesirable changes. A good many of the things people start to notice in their late 30's or so are actually due to nutritional imbalances that have been occurring over the course of their lifetime. Yes calcium is essential, im not arguing against it. Im simply saying that it, like many nutrients, work in conjunction with others and in certain ratios. Skew the ratio too far in any one direction and you cause problems over time.



Calcium cant properly do its job with out vit A, D and K. Someone from nothern climates likely doesnt get the same amount of D as a landscaper in florida, and Many people dont get much vit K at all.



Your entitled to your opinion and can believe your theory all youd like but if you want a more scientific look at it, check out the new book by Dr Levy called "Death by Calcium".

I'm arguing more for the sake of hoping learn more about it myself. I know only what I've experienced. I believe what you're saying although I would have to research Levy a bit to make sure he isn't connected to someone who has an agenda or stands to gain in some way from this. I just distrust most of what I hear until proven otherwise because I distrust the system so much. I come off as arrogant at times so I apologize. It doesn't mean I'm not willing to learn it just means I want to fuel the discussion in a way that one or the other can end up learning something new.
I'll have to look into Levy though.

 

[Zyglamail]

I'm arguing more for the sake of hoping learn more about it myself. I know only what I've experienced. I believe what you're saying although I would have to research Levy a bit to make sure he isn't connected to someone who has an agenda or stands to gain in some way from this. I just distrust most of what I hear until proven otherwise because I distrust the system so much. I come off as arrogant at times so I apologize. It doesn't mean I'm not willing to learn it just means I want to fuel the discussion in a way that one or the other can end up learning something new.
I'll have to look into Levy though.

If Levy has an agenda I would says its against allopathic medicine and the way its shifted over the last hundred years to its current reliance on drugs instead of treating the individual as a whole being and treating the whole being.

One thing I like about Levy is he an actual PHD, note just a naturopath/orthomolecular doc. He was classically trained and in the trenches. He gave up his practice as a cardiologist to pursue orthomolecular treatment because it was more effective.

What I like about his books is that while he does make some hypothesized claims most of his writing is not just about his experience in the clinic. He spends crazy amounts of time digging through the data published by others, puts that with his and references it all in his books.

He has quite a few videos you can find on you tube as well if you have time to kill.

 

[musclemom]

Zyglamail, have you ever heard of Nancy Appleton, Ph.D.? Her work has primarily focused on how refined sugars disrupt the body's homeostasis as well as the impact of environmental toxins and unrecognized allergies, but she was the first person whose work I read that pointed out the interrelationship between minerals and how easy (far, far easier than vitamins, it turns out) it is for them to become out of balance. Interesting stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

That’s totally wrong.
Milk is THE best drink in order to grow up to be a strong, healthy cow

and I'm sure inter species breast feeding is perfectly natural and healthy

 

[stevesmi]

Also make sure you stay away from cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, regular yogurt, cream cheese, sour creme, and all cheeses because those are all just milk essentially as well and have high calcium content.

I like an occasional slice or two of pizza myself, not from some shit franchise place but from the local mom and pop pizzeria, tastes better and they use better ingredients. but I also know that bread is a bad idea. the key is moderation. we already get plenty of dairy in the American diet without even trying. we also get tons of salt, sugar, and other things we need but we all know that food is big business and if you eat out you are going to get way more salt and sugar than you need.

dairy, salt, sugar, oils are all fillers put in food to give it taste and texture. if they swapped in more healthy ingredients then it wouldn't taste as good, it would be way more expensive, etc. if you are a typical lower class family with 2 or 3 kids its way cheaper to go to KFC to get a bucket of fried chicken than go to whole foods and buy the same thing. its about COST.

if you are in fitness food should be the #1 cost for you and if it isn't then you are not doing enough to improve your look, but many people don't care about that and will just opt for the cheaper option.

 

[FitnessSage]

Everything is good in moderation. While milk does have a lot of calcium, on the other hand, it also contains a load of caseine, a protein that is useful for building calf's horns, but not exactly for a human! I'd say it's okay to drink it, but it's definitely not a product on which to base your diet.