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wolfman87

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i've been seeing a lot of insulin talk lately. how does this help you gain mass? wouldn't diabetics be huge if this was the case or is there something i'm missing. i would never put unnatural insulin in my body but i'm curious about boosting natural levels at the right times.
 
insulin, besides food of course :) , is the best mass builder out there. look at it this way... simplified: you inject X ius sub-q PWO with a significant amount of simple carbs (normally 10g per iu injected) and a big protein shake. i make mine about 55grams. dependent on the slin you are using, which i would hope would be humalog, it will peak at certain times allowing for the optimum abundance of whatever you just injested to the muscles (obviously this is what every bb wants), or if you are a numbskull about your post inject meals.... to your adipose cells. humalog allows for easy control of blood sugar levels especially when bulking and taking in the high amount of carbohydrates you will need. although slin can be dangerous and can result in some small to moderate hypoglycemia if not handled properly, if you are a smart fellow it can be done safely. i recommend the 2x per week schedule. as for diabetics, anyone with a history or is a genetic landmind for diabetes should avoid the use of insulin. for he healthy adult ive read (although i cant source the article right now) that you would have to take like 80iu for a decent amount of time for your body to become dependent on exo slin and have your pancrease not working up to its natural standards. just like AAS it can be safely done although i would not recommend it unless you are an experiences lifter and cycler, with high reaching goals... and of course intelligence should be a requirement as well hahaha. ive personally used 30iu 2x per week for 14 weeks and had no issues whatsoever. but if you are seriously considering it there is a lot of reading to do. im personally convinced that jump in the size of BB of today came from the use of peptides and insulin (particularly humalog and humulin R). humalog is basically custom made for bb's and athletes... 4-6 hours its out... as opposed to R which is 6-8 from my reading and experiences.
 
oh i'm probably not ever going to use it but i like to try to be in the know. also just curious, but my dog has diabetes and he has to get 2 shots a day of humulin or something like that. is that the same shit your talking about machine? and excellent post by the way.

edit: when should i try to increase my natty slin levels (i.e after/before a workout, before bed/dinner, morning)? and also what methods are good for doing this?
 
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oh i'm probably not ever going to use it but i like to try to be in the know. also just curious, but my dog has diabetes and he has to get 2 shots a day of humulin or something like that. is that the same shit your talking about machine? and excellent post by the way.

edit: when should i try to increase my natty slin levels (i.e after/before a workout, before bed/dinner, morning)? and also what methods are good for doing this?

Glucotrol stimulates release of insulin from the pancreas...but can potentially have some bad side effects.
 
i don't really want to take another drug to stimulate insulin. i'm just wondering if there are things i can do naturally to elevate it when the muscles need it most, after a workout. like eating or drinking certain things, some fruit or something. lol idk, that's why i'm asking. :)
 
Try waxy maize look for some Karbolyn...
 
i've been seeing a lot of insulin talk lately. how does this help you gain mass? wouldn't diabetics be huge if this was the case or is there something i'm missing. i would never put unnatural insulin in my body but i'm curious about boosting natural levels at the right times.

they are huge, usally fat.
 
Basically to answer your question as understandable as possible:

Insulin forces protein and carbs in to your muscles at a super high and effect rate which in turn allows a rapid increase in weight and strength.

I have used insulin on and off for a long time and I would say 10 days of insulin taken 6-7iu morning and the same post workout will add the same as 2 months of natural training would (if I could compare to some kind of gains).

When you stop insulin I would say 30-40% is maintainable.

If you use insulin the correct way, it is very possible to put on pure muscle with no fat. Combined with t3 and some anabolics, it is possible to add lean and drop bf.

Diabetics do not take insulin to gain muscle and do not eat and train like us - if they did - yep, they would be huge if diet is spot on.

As people have said there are a number of ways to increase natural insulin levels which is safer than using insulin itself.
 
Cardnial slin you must be a pretty advanced BB, you seem to know alot about slin and said you are an avid user. Do you have any pics and do you compete?
 
BK - Used to train in the late 1990's quite seriously (never competed) and as committed as I am, I don't have the dedication that guys like Wulfgar has to contemplate competing. It is way too much for me, all the manipulation, the diet around the clock - I would simply burn out. I started using insulin (I think) back in 2001 and did a number of short burst cycles until 2004 or so. Then took some time off and came back under a year ago - it was pretty crazy in 6 months or so I gained very well naturally and never knew how powerful muscle memory was.

I would never recommend insulin to anyone other than diabetics and would try and get people to stay away from it once they pass early 30's but if people are to do it, they should do it right.

While in general insulin can be very harmful it can also be very useful and while everyone has their own opinion, an 'insulin will kill you'/can kill you' reply to a post (perhaps not this one) by someone who has never really used or researched it, is not a very informative reply to someone's question.

I have noticed it is quite a taboo topic on here.

Pics - I will be posting at some point in the near future - I am currently on slin/t3/hgh and will post up when my cycle is complete!

Currently at 255lbs (have lost some since stopping my cycle - but also lost bf) but am over 6 foot so that weight, I am not nothing huge!
 
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194cm to be exact but stats are not something I like to put up much - call it paranoia but I like to lean on the side of caution - currently at approx 10% and I feel like I am dropping bf% on a weekly basis. First time of serious hgh use and in only 3 wks I can see noticable differences. Not like 4-6mths as most people claim. Having said that I have upped cardio, the t3 and the caffeine has contributed.
 
nice info cardinal, thanks. btw the stuff i have for my dog is humulin N. i'm too scared to use it myself but is this one of the kinds that that is used? just curious. also how do you increase natural levels at key times cardinal? i'm very interested in this but i just can't bring myself to use external slin.
 
Do not use external slin. As these fellow members have posted above - certain drinks will help. There is dextrose as an example and if used post training and first thing in the morning (it is unlikely that these timings will allow for conversion to fat). There is also ALA and a few other supplements that can be used. I am sure there are a lot more people on here, better qualified than me, on how to best increase natural insulin levels at times most beneficial to you. Wulfgar is definitely one of those, I would imagine Gautho as well and probably a few who have already posted in here.

I have never done, and will never do anything other than humalog purely because I can be certain of when it goes in and when it goes out and if I want it out quicker, I will just do IM.

It is safer, at this point, to try manipulating natural insulin rather than using external IMO
 
i was just reading up on ALA and i found a product called primaforce pure ALA. does anyone have any experience with this or similar products? and also could i just drop a glucose tab into a gatorade or something to stimulate insulin and then down a protein shake (both done immediately after workout)?
 
You could but you have to evaulate times of insulin release and how long the spike will remain - definitely some competitors on this boards so I will bump this up for them/you
 
Basically to answer your question as understandable as possible:

Insulin forces protein and carbs in to your muscles at a super high and effect rate which in turn allows a rapid increase in weight and strength.

I have used insulin on and off for a long time and I would say 10 days of insulin taken 6-7iu morning and the same post workout will add the same as 2 months of natural training would (if I could compare to some kind of gains).

When you stop insulin I would say 30-40% is maintainable.

If you use insulin the correct way, it is very possible to put on pure muscle with no fat. Combined with t3 and some anabolics, it is possible to add lean and drop bf.

Diabetics do not take insulin to gain muscle and do not eat and train like us - if they did - yep, they would be huge if diet is spot on.

As people have said there are a number of ways to increase natural insulin levels which is safer than using insulin itself.
Bro not to piss in your Corn flakes But you left out some really serious facts on your little walk through insulinville! Slin for short Is like a key it unlocks the bonds of the cells in your body to allow Glucose and other peptides and amino acids into the muscle cells to convert into energy (ATP)When your a diabetic like me you have to worry about the carbs you eat cause it's what gives you the energy to live. And if you over do your regular carb intake that's when those carbs start to convert to Glucose and raise your blood glucose. And Yeah when your a diabetic with a spot on diet and workout plan Gains do come at a windfall when I first started using insulin I had no clue how wild the stuff was. I've put on 25 lbs of mass in 3 months and that's without touching a ML Of gear or any other test booster. So does it work yeah is it dangerous hell yeah Cause once that slin hit your sub q fat it's not coming out and it will bottom your blood glucose out with the rush of glucose and peptides going from your blood into your muscles. And for those who want to just "try" it don't cause if your not up on your carb Vs. IU's your going to crash and if your alone when it happens just hope someone finds your ass quickly cause it's lights out if your too low and lights out if your to high also. I hope this insight to a diabetic's world helps you guys out some. Fullmetal
 
Bro not to piss in your Corn flakes But you left out some really serious facts on your little walk through insulinville! Slin for short Is like a key it unlocks the bonds of the cells in your body to allow Glucose and other peptides and amino acids into the muscle cells to convert into energy (ATP)When your a diabetic like me you have to worry about the carbs you eat cause it's what gives you the energy to live. And if you over do your regular carb intake that's when those carbs start to convert to Glucose and raise your blood glucose. And Yeah when your a diabetic with a spot on diet and workout plan Gains do come at a windfall when I first started using insulin I had no clue how wild the stuff was. I've put on 25 lbs of mass in 3 months and that's without touching a ML Of gear or any other test booster. So does it work yeah is it dangerous hell yeah Cause once that slin hit your sub q fat it's not coming out and it will bottom your blood glucose out with the rush of glucose and peptides going from your blood into your muscles. And for those who want to just "try" it don't cause if your not up on your carb Vs. IU's your going to crash and if your alone when it happens just hope someone finds your ass quickly cause it's lights out if your too low and lights out if your to high also. I hope this insight to a diabetic's world helps you guys out some. Fullmetal


And not to piss on your corn flakes but everything you have said is fairly basic knowledge and if someone does not know all that, then they should not be doing insulin....

It would be naieve to think people just inject insulin and then carry on as they normally would.

Nor was I telling him to use insulin or how to use insulin but if you do some searching around for previous posts I have done on insulin, you will see I do it the right way (if there is such a thing).
 
And not to piss on your corn flakes but everything you have said is fairly basic knowledge and if someone does not know all that, then they should not be doing insulin....

It would be naieve to think people just inject insulin and then carry on as they normally would.

Nor was I telling him to use insulin or how to use insulin but if you do some searching around for previous posts I have done on insulin, you will see I do it the right way (if there is such a thing).
Bro I didn't mean to put down your thread I was more into the idea that a lot of people just start reading these threads and then just see it's a drug that works and before they figure it all out they are out buying and trying it out. Some people at my gym ask me about gear and stuff just cause how fast I am able to put on mass and keep lean. They see me over in the Conner checking my glucose and either eating or drinking in the middle of my workout just to keep myself going. But like I said in my first post on this thread It's really not as easy and some people just take it as the right to start dosing up! I've been using 20iu's 3 times a day and 10 iu's after my workout and have made some great gains now I really don't see just how someone else can think they can copy mine or your idea's and put them to work in there life. Just one last thing before i go bro that whole bit about if a diabetic got his diet on point and a good workout plan . I do believe I am on that point and let me tell you weight is up 12 lbs in 2 wk all my lifts are up 20-30lbs in that same time frame and I 'm going to be on slin the rest of my life they tell me hey look me up would enjoy chatting with you and exchanging ideas sometime. thanks and sorry for the way i came off just seems everyone here's a expert but not one besides myself is a diabeticand has to live with this cloud over head! Thanks bro FMT!
 
i don't really want to take another drug to stimulate insulin. i'm just wondering if there are things i can do naturally to elevate it when the muscles need it most, after a workout. like eating or drinking certain things, some fruit or something. lol idk, that's why i'm asking. :)


actually muscletech has a product called anabolic halo that also helps with insulin go check it out i use muscletech products and i have good results but i have a very high metabolism so the effects are little but there are difference in my physique
 
actually muscletech has a product called anabolic halo that also helps with insulin go check it out i use muscletech products and i have good results but i have a very high metabolism so the effects are little but there are difference in my physique

Yeah muscletech is way to go!!

Who needs anabolic steroids when there is Muscletech! ?
 
i did humalin r for like 2 weeks i would get so hypoglemic just shooting 5 ius post workout....i would eat everything in site and then get a really bad stomach ache every fuckin day so i stopped doin it....i naturally get hypoglemic alot so im even gonna mess with the stuff anymore
 
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