insulin?

[Big_BK]

Cardnial slin you must be a pretty advanced BB, you seem to know alot about slin and said you are an avid user. Do you have any pics and do you compete?

 

[Cardinal Slin]

BK - Used to train in the late 1990's quite seriously (never competed) and as committed as I am, I don't have the dedication that guys like Wulfgar has to contemplate competing. It is way too much for me, all the manipulation, the diet around the clock - I would simply burn out. I started using insulin (I think) back in 2001 and did a number of short burst cycles until 2004 or so. Then took some time off and came back under a year ago - it was pretty crazy in 6 months or so I gained very well naturally and never knew how powerful muscle memory was.

I would never recommend insulin to anyone other than diabetics and would try and get people to stay away from it once they pass early 30's but if people are to do it, they should do it right.

While in general insulin can be very harmful it can also be very useful and while everyone has their own opinion, an 'insulin will kill you'/can kill you' reply to a post (perhaps not this one) by someone who has never really used or researched it, is not a very informative reply to someone's question.

I have noticed it is quite a taboo topic on here.

Pics - I will be posting at some point in the near future - I am currently on slin/t3/hgh and will post up when my cycle is complete!

Currently at 255lbs (have lost some since stopping my cycle - but also lost bf) but am over 6 foot so that weight, I am not nothing huge!

 

[Big_BK]

how tall bro.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

194cm to be exact but stats are not something I like to put up much - call it paranoia but I like to lean on the side of caution - currently at approx 10% and I feel like I am dropping bf% on a weekly basis. First time of serious hgh use and in only 3 wks I can see noticable differences. Not like 4-6mths as most people claim. Having said that I have upped cardio, the t3 and the caffeine has contributed.

 

[wolfman87]

nice info cardinal, thanks. btw the stuff i have for my dog is humulin N. i'm too scared to use it myself but is this one of the kinds that that is used? just curious. also how do you increase natural levels at key times cardinal? i'm very interested in this but i just can't bring myself to use external slin.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Do not use external slin. As these fellow members have posted above - certain drinks will help. There is dextrose as an example and if used post training and first thing in the morning (it is unlikely that these timings will allow for conversion to fat). There is also ALA and a few other supplements that can be used. I am sure there are a lot more people on here, better qualified than me, on how to best increase natural insulin levels at times most beneficial to you. Wulfgar is definitely one of those, I would imagine Gautho as well and probably a few who have already posted in here.

I have never done, and will never do anything other than humalog purely because I can be certain of when it goes in and when it goes out and if I want it out quicker, I will just do IM.

It is safer, at this point, to try manipulating natural insulin rather than using external IMO

 

[wolfman87]

my sentiments exactly! thanks a ton man, i'm gonna look into the dextrose and ALA you mentioned.

 

[wolfman87]

i was just reading up on ALA and i found a product called primaforce pure ALA. does anyone have any experience with this or similar products? and also could i just drop a glucose tab into a gatorade or something to stimulate insulin and then down a protein shake (both done immediately after workout)?

 

[Cardinal Slin]

You could but you have to evaulate times of insulin release and how long the spike will remain - definitely some competitors on this boards so I will bump this up for them/you

 

[6FULLMETALTRUCKIE9]

Basically to answer your question as understandable as possible:

Insulin forces protein and carbs in to your muscles at a super high and effect rate which in turn allows a rapid increase in weight and strength.

I have used insulin on and off for a long time and I would say 10 days of insulin taken 6-7iu morning and the same post workout will add the same as 2 months of natural training would (if I could compare to some kind of gains).

When you stop insulin I would say 30-40% is maintainable.

If you use insulin the correct way, it is very possible to put on pure muscle with no fat. Combined with t3 and some anabolics, it is possible to add lean and drop bf.

Diabetics do not take insulin to gain muscle and do not eat and train like us - if they did - yep, they would be huge if diet is spot on.

As people have said there are a number of ways to increase natural insulin levels which is safer than using insulin itself.

Bro not to piss in your Corn flakes But you left out some really serious facts on your little walk through insulinville! Slin for short Is like a key it unlocks the bonds of the cells in your body to allow Glucose and other peptides and amino acids into the muscle cells to convert into energy (ATP)When your a diabetic like me you have to worry about the carbs you eat cause it's what gives you the energy to live. And if you over do your regular carb intake that's when those carbs start to convert to Glucose and raise your blood glucose. And Yeah when your a diabetic with a spot on diet and workout plan Gains do come at a windfall when I first started using insulin I had no clue how wild the stuff was. I've put on 25 lbs of mass in 3 months and that's without touching a ML Of gear or any other test booster. So does it work yeah is it dangerous hell yeah Cause once that slin hit your sub q fat it's not coming out and it will bottom your blood glucose out with the rush of glucose and peptides going from your blood into your muscles. And for those who want to just "try" it don't cause if your not up on your carb Vs. IU's your going to crash and if your alone when it happens just hope someone finds your ass quickly cause it's lights out if your too low and lights out if your to high also. I hope this insight to a diabetic's world helps you guys out some. Fullmetal