Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Robboe, I am not trying to argue either and yes I know that by using different hand posistions you can alter what area of the bicep you are "hitting". But to me that would be like comparing incline and decline in the chest movements. The reason I compared the pec deck to the curl is because the contraction of the muscle, I feel, is very similar. For example at the begining of the pec deck movement the muscle is long and extended, just like in the begining of a curl movement. Now one has to bring the weight up or in the case of the pec deck over for the muscle to contract and, for lack of a better word, crunch together. Now are you telling me that at the very begining of that movement you are using "inner" vs. "outter" chest muscle, no, the whole muscle is being used equally during the full range of movement and it has emphasis on the lower pec do to ones arm position on the machine and the angle in which the range of motion is.
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Robboe & Cackerot69...
You 2 have both seemed to completely talk about an entire different approach to bodybuilding. You both take decades of bodybuilding knowledge and claim that they were all wrong, and your all right with your thinking. BULLSHIT. Thats the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard I have never disagreed more in my life. You 2 are gonna prove bodybuilding wrong!? Haha!
Dont be ridiculous! I am not saying Im a genius, because I am far from it. But Ill tell you one thing, 2 know it all punks on a message board arent convincing enough for me to change my training style. What are both of your stats? Can you provide pictures of how well your training beliefs has worked for you? How long have you been working out? Experience is the only key to knowledge in this sport. Someone training for 20 years knows a lot more then someone who trained for 3 but knows the science behind the sport. And just for the record my UPPER chest grew not my WHOLE chest. As much as you know me, and you know what on my body on grew, you DONT. Big boy stop being such a know it all asshole seriously no one wants to hear it.
You 2 have both seemed to completely talk about an entire different approach to bodybuilding. You both take decades of bodybuilding knowledge and claim that they were all wrong, and your all right with your thinking. BULLSHIT. Thats the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard I have never disagreed more in my life. You 2 are gonna prove bodybuilding wrong!? Haha!
Dont be ridiculous! I am not saying Im a genius, because I am far from it. But Ill tell you one thing, 2 know it all punks on a message board arent convincing enough for me to change my training style. What are both of your stats? Can you provide pictures of how well your training beliefs has worked for you? How long have you been working out? Experience is the only key to knowledge in this sport. Someone training for 20 years knows a lot more then someone who trained for 3 but knows the science behind the sport. And just for the record my UPPER chest grew not my WHOLE chest. As much as you know me, and you know what on my body on grew, you DONT. Big boy stop being such a know it all asshole seriously no one wants to hear it.
I personally think that what Robboe says totally makes sense. I really don't care if he is big as a fucking monster or not. We all know that the size of a guy doesn't tell you anything about how good his advice is.
What matters is if the advice makes sense or not. I mean if the biggest guy I've ever seen tells me to stop doing squats I would never do so. No matter how amazing he might look.
My point is that knowing Robboes stats is irrelevant, what he says makes sense to me, and it still will if he is 15 years old and 140lbs.
What matters is if the advice makes sense or not. I mean if the biggest guy I've ever seen tells me to stop doing squats I would never do so. No matter how amazing he might look.
My point is that knowing Robboes stats is irrelevant, what he says makes sense to me, and it still will if he is 15 years old and 140lbs.
What does it matter what my stats are? I don' take drugs and never have done [never will do] so impressing you guys with my stats will be pointess cause there is no doubt that there are many people bigger than me. Also, i could lie and be told i'm full of shit, or be honest and get told i'm full of shit so in the end there is no real point.
Here we go. My arguement has proved you wrong, so you resort to childish name calling and random patter that does not interest me.
This board is of no benefit to me - but i can be to you.
You guys can stick with your flex/musclemag routines that only work for genetic freaks or gearheads. You guys will get stuck in your routines and decide you are 'hard gainers', and will no doubt either give up lifting or resort to drugs. Fine by me. I'll still get my 8 hours sleep at night. You'll be the guys shortening your life span.
This arguement could go back and forth forever. And quite frankly, there is no incentive for me to come back to this board, let alone this post.
Monstar: Bodybuilding as you know it = gear. With gear there is little wrong.
Natural bodybuilding however, is different. This is my ball game and i'll help anyone who wishes to take my advice. For those that don't, i have no time for you...
Here we go. My arguement has proved you wrong, so you resort to childish name calling and random patter that does not interest me.
This board is of no benefit to me - but i can be to you.
You guys can stick with your flex/musclemag routines that only work for genetic freaks or gearheads. You guys will get stuck in your routines and decide you are 'hard gainers', and will no doubt either give up lifting or resort to drugs. Fine by me. I'll still get my 8 hours sleep at night. You'll be the guys shortening your life span.
This arguement could go back and forth forever. And quite frankly, there is no incentive for me to come back to this board, let alone this post.
Monstar: Bodybuilding as you know it = gear. With gear there is little wrong.
Natural bodybuilding however, is different. This is my ball game and i'll help anyone who wishes to take my advice. For those that don't, i have no time for you...
Bro just think about what you are saying, if that would be true...
then we would walk in the gym, do flat bench on chest day, lets say 4 sets 8 reps to failure and have a developed chest.
But thats not how it works, most do 3 sets ? reps and 3-4 different exercises for each muscle. And so on for the next muscle...
How can you think that different angles and different exercise don't effect different parts of a muscle?
Well you are right stats are bullshit from this standpoint and so are pics....well what is your lifting routine...not trying to be childish just trying to see your point, i am trying to be openminded but i don't see it....sorry.
To my understanding it must look like this..(this is not to flame you in anyway, but is this what your saying, that one exercise will work the entire muscle?)
Mon-Flat Bench
Tues-Curls
Weds.-Squats
Thurs-Militiary Press
Fri.-Bent over rows
M56M
then we would walk in the gym, do flat bench on chest day, lets say 4 sets 8 reps to failure and have a developed chest.
But thats not how it works, most do 3 sets ? reps and 3-4 different exercises for each muscle. And so on for the next muscle...
How can you think that different angles and different exercise don't effect different parts of a muscle?
Well you are right stats are bullshit from this standpoint and so are pics....well what is your lifting routine...not trying to be childish just trying to see your point, i am trying to be openminded but i don't see it....sorry.
To my understanding it must look like this..(this is not to flame you in anyway, but is this what your saying, that one exercise will work the entire muscle?)
Mon-Flat Bench
Tues-Curls
Weds.-Squats
Thurs-Militiary Press
Fri.-Bent over rows
M56M
MonStar1023
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Robboe...
I am not trying to offend bro.. I know I came across as harsh earlier but I honestly DO NOT see where your coming from at all. I am 100% ALL NATURAL, and I always will be. My training style is not saying that I use gear so I dont know where you got that from. My routine, or any routine I have ever done is not from Musclemag or whatever else you said. Stats dont mean a lot but I just dont know where you come off with the idea of trying to prove bodybuilding wrong. Natural bodybuilding is not a TOTALLY different sport than regular bodybuilding. There are a lot of differences when you use gear dont get me wrong but theres no way what your claiming is what a natural should be doing. As a matter of fact after I am finished with Titan Training... you can make me up your program and I give you my word that Ill follow it WORD FOR WORD and Ill keep you posted on how it works. I wont rule out what you have to say until I try it.
And if I make NO gains whatsoever then I can completely disagree with everything you say with experience to back me up.
I am not trying to offend bro.. I know I came across as harsh earlier but I honestly DO NOT see where your coming from at all. I am 100% ALL NATURAL, and I always will be. My training style is not saying that I use gear so I dont know where you got that from. My routine, or any routine I have ever done is not from Musclemag or whatever else you said. Stats dont mean a lot but I just dont know where you come off with the idea of trying to prove bodybuilding wrong. Natural bodybuilding is not a TOTALLY different sport than regular bodybuilding. There are a lot of differences when you use gear dont get me wrong but theres no way what your claiming is what a natural should be doing. As a matter of fact after I am finished with Titan Training... you can make me up your program and I give you my word that Ill follow it WORD FOR WORD and Ill keep you posted on how it works. I wont rule out what you have to say until I try it.
And if I make NO gains whatsoever then I can completely disagree with everything you say with experience to back me up.Cackerot69
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Aw shit, I missed it.
Suffice to say that Robboe is 100% correct. You can in no way target (isolate nor emphasize) different parts of the pectorals major; whether it be upper or lower, inner or outer, 35 longitudinal or 35 latitudinal...it CANNOT be done.
Rather than focus my efforts on tearing down all the BS in this thread, I'll tell you what you CAN do. Enough of what isn't possible, what CAN you do in regards to muscle shaping? Unfortunately, there isn’t much you can do to change the shape of individual muscles, but what you can do is make these weaknesses less apparent. For example, if your upper chest appears to be underdeveloped then bringing up the pectorals minor and anterior deltoids, as well as increasing the overall size of the pectoral major will lessen the obviousness of this. You can also bring weak body parts up to par with stronger body parts through specialization/prioritization of your training. For example, if your arms are underdeveloped and your legs are overdeveloped then by focusing on your arms by putting more stress on them while simultaneously putting less stress on the legs (by decreasing training volume, intensity, etc) your arms, in time, will become less of a weakness compared to your legs. There is also the much more extreme option of surgery. Through surgery we can alter the origins are insertions of our muscles which would consequently change their shape. This practice has been shown to create very large decreases in muscular strength, coordination, mechanical function, motor unit activation, among other things. This basically means that although the shape of your muscle will be changed it will be at the expense of the proper use of this muscle, which isn’t a very good trade-off for those interested in bodybuilding and/or strength training. When it is all said and done, trying to change the shape of your individual muscles in a complete waste of time because it quite simply just is not possible. Your efforts should be focused on increasing the size of your muscles (muscle hypertrophy), the strength of your muscles, nervous system, and other strength promoting factors and when needed reducing fat mass.
Suffice to say that Robboe is 100% correct. You can in no way target (isolate nor emphasize) different parts of the pectorals major; whether it be upper or lower, inner or outer, 35 longitudinal or 35 latitudinal...it CANNOT be done.
Rather than focus my efforts on tearing down all the BS in this thread, I'll tell you what you CAN do. Enough of what isn't possible, what CAN you do in regards to muscle shaping? Unfortunately, there isn’t much you can do to change the shape of individual muscles, but what you can do is make these weaknesses less apparent. For example, if your upper chest appears to be underdeveloped then bringing up the pectorals minor and anterior deltoids, as well as increasing the overall size of the pectoral major will lessen the obviousness of this. You can also bring weak body parts up to par with stronger body parts through specialization/prioritization of your training. For example, if your arms are underdeveloped and your legs are overdeveloped then by focusing on your arms by putting more stress on them while simultaneously putting less stress on the legs (by decreasing training volume, intensity, etc) your arms, in time, will become less of a weakness compared to your legs. There is also the much more extreme option of surgery. Through surgery we can alter the origins are insertions of our muscles which would consequently change their shape. This practice has been shown to create very large decreases in muscular strength, coordination, mechanical function, motor unit activation, among other things. This basically means that although the shape of your muscle will be changed it will be at the expense of the proper use of this muscle, which isn’t a very good trade-off for those interested in bodybuilding and/or strength training. When it is all said and done, trying to change the shape of your individual muscles in a complete waste of time because it quite simply just is not possible. Your efforts should be focused on increasing the size of your muscles (muscle hypertrophy), the strength of your muscles, nervous system, and other strength promoting factors and when needed reducing fat mass.
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