I'm going to be a DoggCrapp drop out

[Baoh]

Baoh, then if you REALLY payed attention, you would have seen that some people need to either increase rest days or less rest pause and more straight sets for additional recovery time. Freakmonster this may have been your downfall as well. DC talked about a few of his trainees not making very good gains at first, he attributed it to their recovery, inserted more rest days and/or straight sets, and they took off.

Debaser, if you REALLY paid attention, you would notice that I never said I did not adjust (within DC's framework) for increased recovery time. You might say I never mentioned doing so, but you never asked. My experiences echo those of FreakMonster, as well, in that it simply felt like too little work overall. Still, despite that feeling, I bore it out to give the program a fair shake.

I can do ten maximal singles ( this is obviously not DC) on a movement thrice weekly if need be and continue to make gains, so it's not simply time that is the issue. A level of workload was required for me, and it didn't exist under the prescribed routine.

 

[Debaser]

If you thought it was too little work, then I don't believe you were training hard enough. Did you focus on adding weight to the bar every single session? Could you not? If you couldn't add weight or reps every single time, then you were overtraining, or not working hard enough. And if you added weight/reps every single time for 8 weeks, how could you say this was not productive?

I don't remember if I asked this before, but how was your diet? Did you have twice your bodyweight in protein every single day (or DAMN near close to it) for those 8 weeks? Lots of healthful fats? Maybe you weren't having enough calories. I'd really like to find out why you weren't gaining very well, out of sheer curiousity. You cite CNS stress being the issue, but if you not only added more rest days, and did straight sets, and didn't feel like you were doing enough work, how in the world could this be overtraxing your CNS? 5 straight sets, rest 2 days, 5 straight sets, rest 2 days etc. is killing your nervous system?

 

[louden_swain]

Did I not say it imposed too much additional CNS stress on me?

Are you back to training with higher volumes? If so, this wouldn't make any since. I don't see how the CNS can become over taxed with 3 training days a week. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to your body would have made it grow.

 

[he-man]

think i hear wedding bells ringing for D and Boah - LOL

 

[gmanlax7]

Debaser you gotta chill out, how much is DC paying you ?

The kid obviously didn't like the program, it didn't work for him, and he said so. Enough people have expressed their love for the DC training that when ONE person says it didn't work for them you have to go attack every aspect of what they did just to maintain every single shred of credability. Let it go

 

[Debaser]

I'm just curious as to what went wrong. I don't feel that's fair because now a lot of people see this and might think "oh gee my CNS might not recover"

How could you possibly overtax your CNS with only 5 sets? He was just talking about german volume training! 10x10 deads, apparently that wouldn't overdo it!

 

[nclifter6feet6]

NC - please to stick to the diet board, i get dumber every time i read one of your posts

that hat on your head in your avatar looks gayer and gayer and gayer and gayer

 

[gmanlax7]

yeah but I can take the hat off

your poor spoken ways were God's gift for life

 

[Baoh]

If you thought it was too little work, then I don't believe you were training hard enough. Did you focus on adding weight to the bar every single session? Could you not? If you couldn't add weight or reps every single time, then you were overtraining, or not working hard enough. And if you added weight/reps every single time for 8 weeks, how could you say this was not productive?

I don't remember if I asked this before, but how was your diet? Did you have twice your bodyweight in protein every single day (or DAMN near close to it) for those 8 weeks? Lots of healthful fats? Maybe you weren't having enough calories. I'd really like to find out why you weren't gaining very well, out of sheer curiousity. You cite CNS stress being the issue, but if you not only added more rest days, and did straight sets, and didn't feel like you were doing enough work, how in the world could this be overtraxing your CNS? 5 straight sets, rest 2 days, 5 straight sets, rest 2 days etc. is killing your nervous system?

Paragraph 1- You can choose to not believe whatever you wish. Yes. I could and did. The goal was size, my diet was higher than even DC suggests, and it produced poorly in that realm. I lost almost ten pounds, had an overtaxed CNS, was no leaner, and was definitely no larger.

Paragraph 2- My metabolism is high, and I went well beyond what even I need, which is higher than DC suggests. More. Yes. I drank olive oil, flax, and fish oil, as well as eating other sources of good fats before I had ever even heard of DC. I have determined that the act of failure is what causes the CNS taxation, not simply sets or reps.

 

[Baoh]

Are you back to training with higher volumes? If so, this wouldn't make any since. I don't see how the CNS can become over taxed with 3 training days a week. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to your body would have made it grow.

Actually, it makes perfectly fine sense. The error is assuming that volume is what taxes the CNS, when that is not the case (up to an individually attuned point, of course).

Agreed. Plenty of food, rest, and listening to my body is what makes it grow. That is why DC fails to produce for me. If I listen to my body, DC is not what I should do.