I'm finding carbs aren't needed while "on"

[silverbackn]

I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!

 

[Vascular Freak]

I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!

I agree bro, this winter I am going to run a moderate test, eq, and primo cycle and bump up the calories and carbs a bit too see the results. I guess I am shortchaning what I could have possibly gained but I cannot say I regret it since it feels great to gain nothing but pure muscle mass. I find that those who eat like mad on cycle tend to either end up gaining fat post cycle or losing some of the muscle gained. When your eating very high calories on cycle your body is turning everything into muscle tissue. However when you stop the gear and sustain that caloric intake to maintain the mass you have gained most people tend to end up with fat gain. Bodybuilding to me is about being lean and mean 100% of the time. Pre-contest to me is no more than hardening the body and ridding it of water/sodium retention.

But to each there own, and after all i do agree with you about the metaphor of 87 octane in a dragster.

 

[silverbackn]

It's all good bro, I'm glad that you didn't take my post the wrong way. Like I said, if it works for you that's all that matters. It just comes down to what your goals and experience levels are. I TOTALLY agree that people often times cycle and use it as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap and get sloppy or "maximize gains". I don't eat much junk in the off-season anymore. My carb intake is somewhat extreme because I'm not carb sensitive at all. I can get away with killing carbs, most people can't, but like I said they are clean carbs. I eat clean 90% of the time in the off-season. If I want something I eat it, but it's definitely the exception not the rule. I am still only weighing 225 after eating 100-200g's of carbs a meal for the last 5 weeks. My competition weight is from 205-211. The metabolism is a gift and a curse, it's great when I'm dieting but it sucks in the off-season.

 

[Sassy69]

Dammit you guys are lucky. Seriously for me to cut up for competition I have to do reasonably high protein, reasonable fat but not too much, totally have to do strict carb rotation, not go over 17-1800 cals total and increase up to 2 hrs cardio / day, in addition to my always intense ass kicking workouts. Sux to be meso / endo, female & over 40. (Could be the good German breeding hips & Swedish layer of fat as protection from cold weather... despite living in the southern climes...)

 

[racoon_city]

good resu;ts\\\

 

[silverbackn]

Dammit you guys are lucky. Seriously for me to cut up for competition I have to do reasonably high protein, reasonable fat but not too much, totally have to do strict carb rotation, not go over 17-1800 cals total and increase up to 2 hrs cardio / day, in addition to my always intense ass kicking workouts. Sux to be meso / endo, female & over 40. (Could be the good German breeding hips & Swedish layer of fat as protection from cold weather... despite living in the southern climes...)

Damn! I have the ultimate respect for women who compete, men are much more advantaged metabolically. There are 2 girls at my gym who compete and they hate me everytime we are all dieting. I am eating 400g's of carbs half of the days that I diet and don't do any cardio. They are eating 75 g's of carbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day. It is much easier for most men, you women who compete are badass!

 

[Sassy69]

Damn! I have the ultimate respect for women who compete, men are much more advantaged metabolically. There are 2 girls at my gym who compete and they hate me everytime we are all dieting. I am eating 400g's of carbs half of the days that I diet and don't do any cardio. They are eating 75 g's of carbs and doing 2 hours of cardio a day. It is much easier for most men, you women who compete are badass!

... or psychotic ...

 

[gjohnson5]

I think its your metabolism and this should not be the norm at all. If you're intake is 1000 grams carb + gear + 400-500g protein and you're not like 350lb then I think your metabolism is hindering your muscle gains.

What are your contest placing at BTW?

I'm gonna be honest, that is a huge waste of anabolic potential. Imagine if you were actually giving your body adequate fuel. Yes, you have grown, you're using 4 different drugs. I'm glad that it has worked for you, I guess that's all that matters. To me it would be like buying a drag racer and putting 87 octane gas in it, I don't see the point. I am eating around 800g's of carbs a day right now and I'm not even on, when I get on it will be 1,000. To each his own, I just don't want to see others undermine what could be a good cycle by basically pre-contest dieting while on. I eat more than that when I'm getting ready for show!

 

[chazk]

I think the prob your gonna run into is not being able to keep the gains once your off. I have noticed when going off cycle how important carbs are for me to keep my strenght up and work out with even close to teh weights i worked out while on cycle. once the juice is out of the system i think your gonna have to change that diet up a bit if you want to maintain the gains.

some articles even point that a higher carb intake will actually get your endocrine systme functioning faster during your pct .

 

[Vascular Freak]

I think the prob your gonna run into is not being able to keep the gains once your off. I have noticed when going off cycle how important carbs are for me to keep my strenght up and work out with even close to teh weights i worked out while on cycle. once the juice is out of the system i think your gonna have to change that diet up a bit if you want to maintain the gains.

some articles even point that a higher carb intake will actually get your endocrine systme functioning faster during your pct .

Yes yes, post cycle I will replace a few meals that are normally just protein and fat with protein and carbs. Overall my caloric intake will be about the same but I will gain the metabolic advantage of the more glycogen in the system, strength, hormonal response etc.