I'm finding carbs aren't needed while "on"

[Vascular Freak]

I have plenty of energy to train with 100% intensity but I think the contributing factor to that is that I train first thing in the am so I wake have a meal with 60 g protein and 45 g of carbs from oats along with some broccolli and my supps. I wait 1h45m and train and meal 2 comes 3 hours later.

I have a 2 part pwo meal. I have 20 g whey with 10 g bcaa and 6 g nos as I near the end of my session. After I finish I will immediately have 30g oats, 15 g cream of rice mixed together along with 6 egg whites and 20g more whey. 90 min later I will have 7oz chicken with 1/3 cups oats dry and 1 cup broccolli or salad etc, still no fats. Then every 1h45m for the rest of the day I have 50g protein with 15 g fat from loive oil or almonds, or flax oil.

I then go back later in the day after I get in 2-3 meals after my am session, and do 30 mins cardio.

I have been training 4 on double session, 1 complete day off rest and keeping calories under control during the rest day. I have actually found that when I overeat my body doesn't seem to stay in a positive nitrogen balance as well, and I tend to grow more in the gut than in the muscle itself.

I heard Chris Cook once say that "the human body and nutrition is like a race car and carburetion. If you give it too much fuel you will only flood out the engine and get poor performance, but the right blend of fuel/air makes the engine run like an animal"

Energy levels might be a little lower when carbs are low but as long as the energy is there to train that is all I really care about. When you are on a low carb diet, your body produces tremendous amounts of energy from small quantities of carb.

For all those doubting it you really should try it if your are running gear like test, primo, winstrol etc. The primo tends to thrive on low carb/low calorie diets and the added winstrol really gives you a good pump and strength no matter what, then the test is there to support recovery etc. I guarantee for those looking for a better looking physique and not just shear size. High, high protein and fats with low carb is phenomenal.

 

[Vascular Freak]

i have always cycled low carb to help with getting nice and leaned out but this year i decided to try something new. the added carbs make a huge difference and i am carb sensitive. i think sassy is onto something with her post.

Every 4th-5th day I will add an extra 90 grams of carb spread out over the course of the day. This is almost doubling the normal carb intake and actually does fill you out. This would not work if your were not on any gear because strength etc would fall.

Everyone ask me how I get so lean with good size at the same time, and my response is that most people tend to think there bodies need more carbs than is neccessary. BCAA's in high doses can substitute carbs around training session along with NO2, this will give you a pump as if your were fully carb loaded but with low insulin levels etc you will release more GH during training, and the glycogen load PW is much more intense.

 

[krishna]

Where did you get this diet? I bet on your cycle, if you upped your carbs, you'd gain even more!

 

[Vascular Freak]

Where did you get this diet? I bet on your cycle, if you upped your carbs, you'd gain even more!

You are definetly right bro, the carbs will help with strength and growth. I am just saying for those that are looking to drop bf and gain muscle at the same time, and are sensitive to carbs.... it actually is possible to do if protein and fat intake is high enough.

I guess if you are no sensitive to carbs and can stay lean when a moderate portion of carbs are in your diet then that would be the best approach.

I didn't actually get this diet from anywhere, just years of experimenting and trial and error with every possible dieting approach possible. This seems to be the most effective for me anyway to gain lean mass without adding an ounce of fat.

 

[krishna]

You are definetly right bro, the carbs will help with strength and growth. I am just saying for those that are looking to drop bf and gain muscle at the same time, and are sensitive to carbs.... it actually is possible to do if protein and fat intake is high enough.

I guess if you are no sensitive to carbs and can stay lean when a moderate portion of carbs are in your diet then that would be the best approach.

I didn't actually get this diet from anywhere, just years of experimenting and trial and error with every possible dieting approach possible. This seems to be the most effective for me anyway to gain lean mass without adding an ounce of fat.

Well you know your body better than anyone else. If you're getting the results you're looking for then congrats! I've tried similar diets and had good results staying lean. I usually ended up getting grumpy and having low energy though. There comes a point when one just has to start paying attention to how their body reacts to food instead of jumping on every diet they see. Seems to me like you're at that point. Karma

 

[Ulter]

Um.... eat the carbs.
You may have the energy you describe but your body is making glucose for you because you're not eating it. Do you know where your body is getting the glucose? It's turning your protein into glucose to replace the carbs you're leaving out. See your body knows that you'll go into a coma without glucose because it's the only food your brain eats. So it's protecting you the best way it can. You're much better off eating the carbs for energy.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Well you know your body better than anyone else. If you're getting the results you're looking for then congrats! I've tried similar diets and had good results staying lean. I usually ended up getting grumpy and having low energy though. There comes a point when one just has to start paying attention to how their body reacts to food instead of jumping on every diet they see. Seems to me like you're at that point. Karma

Thanks bro You are exactly right, the best thing to do is master your own body. I may get great results in a diet like this, and you may feel like complete garbage.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Um.... eat the carbs.
You may have the energy you describe but your body is making glucose for you because you're not eating it. Do you know where your body is getting the glucose? It's turning your protein into glucose to replace the carbs you're leaving out. See your body knows that you'll go into a coma without glucose because it's the only food your brain eats. So it's protecting you the best way it can. You're much better off eating the carbs for energy.

Ulter, I do make sure that I have carbs in my system right around training time. I just keep carb intake low for the rest of the day while I am not to active. However, I am getting 8 hours of sleep every night and normally a 90 minute nap during the day so that may offset the energy deficit that put my body into.

 

[Sassy69]

Just for shits & grins you might consider a 1x/week carb up. Dont' go crazy and kill a couple pizzas, but just a refeed of sorts. If your body has learned to run on 110g of carb, that's great but generally small changes in diet, particularly in carbs can really kick up some good responses. You might find you feel even better or can train harder.

I guess 110 g of carb is not "no carb" -- my low carb days when I'm rotating carbs are 30g or less -- or just veggies for a day or two. Then I bump up to 50-90 g -- that's a competition carb rotation. I can also run for a quite a while on just 30 g of carb from my morning oatmeal, but I know for a fact I'm probably not running optimally.

 

[Tweakle]

I look a LOT better on a timed carb approach, but my strength isn't worth shit unless I have at least 3 carb meals before training. Sucks being carb sensitive!