HUCK , MACRO , FONZ , vets , mods -Can you still GROW on a VERY LOW CALORIE diet ?

[VictorBR]

Just want to know what you guys think , I am having a beef with my bro jenectic here on this one

My personal opinion is that you can . Without AAS is not easy , but it can be DONE . BUT , with AAS it is really easy on my point of view .

FACT 1 - We don't need HOW many calories a muscle needs to grow , to hypertrophy .

FACT 2 - Protein ( aminoacids ) builds muscle , so if you provide enough of this to your muscle , they should grow

Now , I am a living proof that it is very possible to GAIN MUSCLE on a LOW CALORIE diet while still losing fat . And when I mean low calorie diet , I mean eating LESS than your BMR . Of Course you will never grow like if you were eating above your BMR , but you can STILL GROW .

For example : My BMR is 2.500 cals a day . Ok , So I spend around 1.000 cals on the gym .

So for me to maintain my weight I would have to eat 3.500 cals a day right ?

Ok , on my last cycle I was using very mild substances like EQ ( 350 week ) , win ( 50 mg EOD ) and HGH ( like 1 IU ED ), for 8 weeks and I was eating like 2.000-2.500 cals a day , so I would spend 1000 cals on the gym.

This would give me a daily ingestion of 1000-1.500 cals . ( pretty much under my BMR )

By most people's logic I wouldn't be able to gain muscle , since I would have to eat more than 3.500 cals to gain muscle .

Guess what ? I was beeing carefully monitored by a pro and I finished the damn cycle with + 10 lbs of SOLID MUSCLE ( no WATER retention at all ) and at the same time losing 15 lbs of fat .

Now , explain that to me .


Victor

 

[Koivu_11]

Just want to know what you guys think , I am having a beef with my bro jenectic here on this one

My personal opinion is that you can . Without AAS is not easy , but it can be DONE . BUT , with AAS it is really easy on my point of view .

FACT 1 - We don't need HOW many calories a muscle needs to grow , to hypertrophy .

FACT 2 - Protein ( aminoacids ) builds muscle , so if you provide enough of this to your muscle , they should grow

Now , I am a living proof that it is very possible to GAIN MUSCLE on a LOW CALORIE diet while still losing fat . And when I mean low calorie diet , I mean eating LESS than your BMR . Of Course you will never grow like if you were eating above your BMR , but you can STILL GROW .

For example : My BMR is 2.500 cals a day . Ok , So I spend around 1.000 cals on the gym .

So for me to maintain my weight I would have to eat 3.500 cals a day right ?

Ok , on my last cycle I was using very mild substances like EQ ( 350 week ) , win ( 50 mg EOD ) and HGH ( like 1 IU ED ), for 8 weeks and I was eating like 2.000-2.500 cals a day , so I would spend 1000 cals on the gym.

This would give me a daily ingestion of 1000-1.500 cals . ( pretty much under my BMR )

By most people's logic I wouldn't be able to gain muscle , since I would have to eat more than 3.500 cals to gain muscle .

Guess what ? I was beeing carefully monitored by a pro and I finished the damn cycle with + 10 lbs of SOLID MUSCLE ( no WATER retention at all ) and at the same time losing 15 lbs of fat .

Now , explain that to me .


Victor

I am currently gaining a lot of muscle while loosing fat, it's very obvious on the mirror. Everyone is making comments, so it must be true.

 

[VictorBR]

DO you know what your BMR is bro ? how many cals you spend on the gym ? and how many cals are you eating ?


Victor

 

[georgie24]

what was your cycle like victor?

 

[VictorBR]

It is written there

weeks 1-8 - HGH 1 IU ED
weeks 1-8 - EQ 350 / week
weeks 1-8 - win 50 mg EOD


Victor

 

[sleeplifter]

then I think its proof your gear is legit.....

 

[georgie24]

i predict this thread will hit 5+pages..a good and controversial topic of dicussion. this board is full of body building dogma and mythology and hypocrosy(sp)


this shall be interesting.......

 

[VictorBR]

Yep , it is very controversial and I am here to prove my point


Victor

 

[dali]

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE!

It is physiologically impossible to grow if your calories are below your maintenance level. You muscles appear larger when cutting due to a lower bf %, but to increase lbm while on a caloric deficient diet is definitely a stretch.

 

[VictorBR]

" It is physiologically impossible to grow if your calories are below your maintenance level. You muscles appear larger when cutting due to a lower bf %, but to increase lbm while on a caloric deficient diet is definitely a stretch. "

>>. Sorry but my arms actually GOT bigger and way more ripped . Like I said , 10 lbs of muscle while losing 15 lbs of fat , AND caloric deficit . ( eat 2.500 , lose 1000 on the gym = 1.500 cals daily intake )

So it was 1.000 cals UNDER my BMR which is 2.500 cals


Victor