How far can I go naturally ?

[michaelcoutts]

Im behind Aussie

Even though i may be biased.

 

[gmanlax7]

the bottom line is your 135 and just getting into the game, so you shouldn't worry yet about natural limitations. Lift hard and eat a ton. Go for short term goals like adding weight each workout

 

[Lee]

make sure you target specific body parts each workout sesh also, or else youll never get nice gains.

 

[Aussie Juga naught]

A green dot doesn't mean shit you fucking retard. I bet your a small little weakling...eniough said

Did you ever wonder why you don't have a green karma dot anymore, Aussie? Maybe because you give crap advice....

.... the "eat everything and anything until you're bloated and about to puke" thing is wrong. It's simply wrong. You don't need to stuff yourself to the point of physical pain and bloating.... that's ridiculous. Yes, you need to eat a lot.... you need high protein and high calories, and you need carbs and fats from the right sources. But after a certain point, the "eat everything" diet does nothing but add to fat gain.... and can even hinder your hypertrophy progress.

That's why it's not getting through to people.... because it's not the best way.

 

[Thaibox]

I personally think that any standardized formula for determining an individual's muscular potential is bullshit. That's why we are "individuals."

The worst part about it is after somone has busted their ass and finds out that they are at their "limit" based upon this calulator, they'll gonna say "shit! well I guess that's it for me, pass the D-bol." So, even if it has some merit, it shouldn't be used. It sucks either way.

 

[epimetheus]

the size off of wrist size calculators arent worth much at all. just some guys opinion. there are big pl'ers with small wrists believe it or not.

That is becaues they are not 8% bodyfat. Did you notice that part. Max lean bodyweight with 8% bodyfat. Obviously if you don't care to have 20+% bodyfat, then you can get much heavier.

I agree with Taibox somewhat- This is just a general guideline based off of other people. General guidelines don't take into several factors like your personal genetics etc. Saying "I can't make 200lbs because this caculator said I can't" is stupid. Fooling yourself into thinking that you can get 260lbs at 8% bodyfat at anything below 7ft naturally (you know, without steroids) is just being stupid. The best bet is to fall in the middle and be realistic about it, but don't set small goals. Aim for the moon, if you miss, well- at least you will be amongst the stars.

 

[vinylgroover]

Yeo,

I am a typical hardgainer. I had been working on this routine for some time and it worked well for me.

Monday:

Chest: Incline Bench x 4
Incline dumbells x 3
Dips or flat bench x 3

Biceps: Barbell Curls x 4
Dumbell preachers x 3

Triceps: Close grip bench x 4
Cable pushdowns x 3


Wednseday:

Back: Pull-ups x 3
barbell rows x 4
t-bar rows x 3


Shoulders: Dumbell press x 3
military press x 3
Pull-press x 2
shrugs x 2

Calves: Seated calf raises x 4


Saturday:

Legs: Squats x 5
leg press x 4
leg extensions x 3
Regular deadlifts x 4 (4 working sets)
calf raises x 5
hamstring curls x 4

I work in a rep range of 5-8, occasionally going down to 4 on deadlifts squats etc.

I don't do cardio other than just light walking for heart maintenance.

The above routine gave me 4 days rest each week, which was great, and more importantly, a minimum of one day rest between workouts.

I have never juiced. Unless you want to compete or look like a freak, forget the juice and spend your money on improving other aspects of your life such as education or going on a holiday or saving for a house or investing in shares.

You are only 22 and with a few years of hard training, you can improve your physique out of sight. Eat as much as is comfortable for you to eat. I know it can be hard, but i keep eating and snacking all day. Drink alot of milk if you can stomach it. Milk is a great way to put on weight/body mass. Don't worry about getting fat......you are a long way from that. Having said that, don't intentionally eat fatty food just for the sake of putting weight on.

 

[gmanlax7]

vgroover - hows that routine done for you ? being a hardgainer, what did you start at (and when) and what are you at now ?

your advice at juicing is realy making me think, i liked that

 

[vinylgroover]

Gman,

To be honest, i can't remember where was at when i started. I'm 5'7 and around 165lbs now, but i've never been above around 10% BF in my life. I am lucky in that i have good muscle shape and proportions (28 inch waist) so i can look much bigger than i actually am. Keeping at a low BF serves an important purpose. It means i don't need cardio. Cardio will strip weight off me too easily.

You guys are much younger than me. I'm 30. You have many years ahead of you, and if you train consistently and hard, there is no reason why you can't look exceptionally good naturally by your mid 20's.

I never measure my bodyparts. I only use the mirror. If you can't honestly just use the morror to judge your progress, then there is something wrong. Too many people get caught up in stats and numbers.

Gman, do some sums now on what it will cost you to juice for the next number of years and also the risk of ruining your health, and then tell me whether you are not better off investing or saving that money, while making excellent gains naturally. I believe you can make gains naturally well into your 30's and even 40's.

The workout worked well for me. As a hardgainer, i have always trained with low reps 5-8, and concentrated on compound, free weight moves. I am now trying the 5x5 and i'm liking it. Never been interested in cables or machines, they won't do shit for you.

Deadlifts have been the single most important exercise for me. I'll never win the Olympia or look like a freak, but then again, neither will anyone else here. I look better than most of the population and my health is intact and i will continue to make gains naturally.

 

[jeremys]

I'll never win the Olympia or look like a freak, but then again, neither will anyone else here.

speak for yourself